Did you know you can not backup Profiles on a 6600M?

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No way to backup Profiles on a 6600M
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You have to be able to write the backup files somewhere, which means you need a pc connected and smartsdr to backup profiles.
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If you look at the PROFILES on SSDR, running on your PC, you will see IMPORT/EXPORT for your saved profiles.

Apparently it cannot be accomplished directly from the 6xxx radios directly, only via SSDR on you local PC.

Tom W3FRG
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Oops.  didn't get a chance to explain before I hit return.  Just not a good day...

So my story is:   Theres no way to backup Profiles on a M model.  

I did the Help Desk thing and was told my 6600M can't be used to backup Profiles or anything else.  I asked the question why can't Flex provide a way such as a flash drive, the USB port is right there on the back of the radio.  Answer: SECURITY, not going to happen.  I found this out after I did the recommend reset for a problem I was having.  SORRY, only Windows SSDR can do backups under the name Profiles import/export.  Damn, wish I knew that before the reset.  But if you can using Windows SSDR, no SECURITY issues?  Guess not!

Being a Apple user, this means I need to install Parallels VM and Windows on my iMac.  Ok what the hell, I'm now committed to Flex, even went to the dinner at Dayton, I love this radio, great dinner.  Besides I spent $6200 on it, which includes the GPSDO, yes that sounds like commitment.  Well might as well upgrade my Apple computer as well for best performance.

All done.  Load Windows SSDR, run the program, very nice.  Think Im going to like running a computer as a radio.  Time to get to why I invested all this extra money on the Flex.  Find profiles import/export, push the button and ...... Nope, doesn't work.  Get an error message, stating import/export not supported.

So back to the Help Desk and fill out a ticket for help.  Super fast response.  Flex does not support  Parallels / Windows on a Apple computer.......  Maybe go on the Community Board and ask for help with a fix.

Is this what I can expect?  I want to operate my Flex radio, not having to deal with landmines.   My QSO's should be on my Flex radio not on this Community Board or Help Desk.  

I think I have had enough.  

For Sale.   One slightly used Flex Radio with GPSMO  Call for Info  Tom NA7AA  650-207-2772
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Since you have a Mac, you should try DogparkSDR.  I am not sure if it has an export profiles option but I will check when I get home.  You can download the software for free and try it. 

I'm not sure why you wouldn't be able to export profiles using a virtual Windows machine on your Mac?
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Thank you Butch.  Ive been playing with DogPark.  Can't hold a candle to SSDR.   Not intuitive at all.
The Heads up display isn't very efficient.  Hard to to find things.  I've re down loaded 12 times and keep playing with it.   
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DogparkSDR does take some getting used it.  I have been using it now for a couple of years and love it.  I remote from my office using Dogpark and work FT8 and the digital modes.
I still don't understand why the export profiles wouldn't work via a virtual windows machine.  I use VMware Fusion and run both Windows 10 and Windows 7 machines on my Macbook Pro.  I will have to install SSDR on Win 10 and see if I have the same problem.

BurchK4QXX
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How about IosSSDR?  Can you back up profiles to an Ipad? 
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Windows SSDR works very well on Apple, just can't save Profiles.

RE: Dogpark.  How do you adjust tuning power down.  Cant find that button.  
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RE: Dogpark.  How do you adjust tuning power down.  Cant find that button.
It's in the "Radio" tab on the Preferences pane labeled "Atu". Make sure the box is checked and adjust the slider to the desired value. Mine is set to 5 watts in the picture below.
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Thank you

Tom
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DPSDR can take some getting used to, for me it was well worth the time to get to know it. If you have any other questions let me know.
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Thank you Kevin. I’m sure more questions will come up.
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The profile file format is not part of the public API.

https://www.dogparksoftware.com/dogparkSDR_Help/dogparkSDR_Overview.html

Note: You will still need the SmartSDR client running on a Windows PC or a Mac running Parallels, or a FlexRadio Maestro to install new radio firmware, save and restore profiles or to setup USB Cables connected to the radio.

The import/export profiles works under Parallels on a Mac exactly as it does on a Windows PC.
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Have you tried using Apple's built-in tool, BootCamp? I am using that on a MacBook 12" and everything seems to work as if it were a native Windows PC. No issues at all.

Using BootCamp, the Mac boots Windows directly, rather than having Windows run in a shell. I have run SmartSDR on it with no apparent problems, although I did not try backing up profiles. No need, since that is done on my shack Dell XPS desktop.

73,
Craig, KØCF
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Not yet
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Yes, Bootcamp is the solution.
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Don Agro

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Actually, the solution was putting Parallels into bridge mode so that he could connect directly to the radio instead of through SmartLink (you can't import/export profiles over SmartLink).
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Don, So your saying that saving profiles to an M model is not a problem?
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No, I said that saving profiles in SmartSDR under Parallels on a Mac is not a problem as long as you are connected directly to the radio - not through SmartLink. Bootcamp is not required.
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To clear up any confusion - I did not address the "M" profile issue or mark this thread as "Not a Problem". I only responded to the Parallels/Bootcamp/Mac comments.
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Super Good!  It worked Don.  Found the Network on Windows 7, did the Bridge, went to Profiles and saved to my  iMac.  This old knob guy can move on to the next landmine.

Thank You Don for all your patience and help.   Now back to using your program DogPark.

Tom
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Fantastic! Glad you got it working Tom
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Did you try installing tuxera on you apple it makes ntfs files and flashdrives compatible with apple, I suspect this is the reason you are getting the error. So then after the tuxera install you should be able to insert a windows usb stick and when you do export select that stick as the destination and it should work. Tuxera I believe is in the app store and Im pretty sure its free.

I have it installed on my mbp and also on my mac mini with bootcamp windows.
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IMHO the elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is that if you buy a M model radio you should not need a computer. Period. Presumably the argument is that the M radios are self sufficient; looks like they are not.
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Agreed. That’s why I bought the 6600M
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Agree also, You need a computer to do backups, access cluster data, run other modes such as rtty, ft8, etc.  I should have bought the 6400 and saved a $1000.
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I bought the 'M' model with the clear understanding that the front controls could do what the Maestro could do.
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It is what it is, flex is not going to change it, either love it or leave it!
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You should be able to just insert a USB drive into the USB port and save your configuration. What security concerns could there be??? Can do it with every other rig with a USB port. Can even do it with my HT
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Talk to Tim.....
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By allowing the radio to read from an untrusted file system it can expose it to a potential attack vector.
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Varistor

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Thus the importance of designing and implementing countermeasures rather than simply disable important functionality.
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I would imagine the security concern is the possibility of malware or viruses being introduced into a system that necessarily lacks updateable security software.  USB drives are one of the most common methods of spreading such infections, and would be almost impossible to troubleshoot remotely.
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Well I would think if the driver is in with Smart SDR and loaded that way there is no concern. When was the last time you heard of an ICOM getting infected with a virus because of a driver when saving a profile or writing a profile?? Not
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My Kenwood 990s has one sticking out of it!
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KK9W - Steve

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My TS 990 was the same way.
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I wish Flex would listen to their customers. This class of customer does not want to run Smart SDR on a PC. They should not have to in order to do something this simple, but necessary. Either utilize the memory that must be on the embedded tablet, or provide some external or other internal memory for this function.

Perhaps it can't be done right now, but it should go on the list, if Flex wants to pursue customers who want a front panel interface only. It should also apply to the stand-alone Maestro.

My two cents, FWIW.
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As Tim stated, the radio is open to an attack using an un trusted file system. All radios that do this are at risk. So in light of this it looks like this is just the way things are and will stay.

But what I wonder is why is it safer to access my computer file system as SSDR saves the profile files to it?
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For future reference - Tom’s problem was that he was connecting to the radio through SmartLink and couldn’t save profiles.

There are a number of things you can't do over SmartLink, including update firmware and manage profiles.

Make sure your Parallels network connection is in Bridge mode so that you can connect to the radio directly and not through SmartLink.
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Its not a perfect world but obsticles like this are easily overcome. You can buy a windows tablet to export your profiles to for about the same price as a larger capacity thumb drive.
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Maybe someone can log into the rig remotely and back up the profiles.  

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