Dayton 2015 Report - Unofficial

Moore's law does NOT even remotely address that and you know that Howard. Redefining things cause you think you're privileged enough to does not make it so. I, further, suspect Elecraft sales are blowing the doors off of Flex sales, wanting something to be so does not make it so. You are making claims that are patently false and/or unsubstantiated claims. While you might get away with that in the echo chamber / bubble yo will eventually get called on it.

and Gordon Moore in 2015 foresaw that the rate of progress would reach saturation: "I see Moore’s law dying here in the next decade or so."[17].

Notice how the trend has been single core to dual core to quad core to dual quad core? In PC's they aren't getting smaller, they are just adding more of them. It's the science of etching the silicon. I think the wall was hit at 7 micron density.

Actually, if you are going to discuss Wirth's or Page's laws actually are, let's discuss what Moore really said and when he said it and,most of all, characterize it correctly.  "Software IS getting slower faster than hardware is getting faster. I know a little something about software, do you? And, one question I had asked you before, if all the above is Gospel, why then is the Kenwood TS-990 still going for $8,000 USD and the TS-590SG going for $1600. <- very close to the specs for a 6700.

Are you saying ADC's have no firmware? Software doesn't have to be in a Microsoft DLL, it can be burned into the chip. Why can't KYI use ADCs or....do they?

None of this has anything to do with liking the flex. It has to do with not substituting likes and dislikes with science. If you really want to fight about this, here are the folks you should talk to:
Niklaus Wirth, Martin Reiser, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, David May, Wayne Burdick, Eric, Swartz, Jim Whitehurst, not me. I have to believe KYI all have CTOs and chief engineers, with terminal degrees. A PhD is also called a 'terminal' degree as it is like Extra class, it is the end of the continuum. So why didn't I just say PhD...?
Howard, you come across like you are in FRS marketing. That, singularly, attracts attention.

No fight, I am done. As I said, this keeps percolating to the top of the list.
So you are presenting a paper, has it been peer reviewed?

I did just email the cofounder and architect of the K3 and KX3. While this is not the forum to do true infomercials for competitive brands, anyone interested in his response, please email me a <my call> at ARRL dot net.

Again, for those listening, I really do like the my Flex, I just don't sleep with it.

Howard, even you know this, you can't talk about technicals intermixed with ownership, "we own several of these". That could have been a bad purchasing decision, you are assuming your ownership implies technical superiority.
Maybe the take-away is try being an honest broker of SDR, even the K3 does the bulk of it's signal processing in software, ergo SDR. As I've repeatedly said on here, competition is good, it makes all contestants better and us, the consumer, given better choices. Howard, c'mon, your repeated premise is anything other than FLEX 6x00 is old thinking legacy ****. I think it is a safe bet, everyone on this board really likes their Flex 6x000. I am sure the management of FRS really hopes that holds through the 7000 series, 8000 series etc.

You'll buy an Android when I finish? Oh, my, I am so there. It's close, not before this summer though.

There is a separate thread where I discuss this. Not necessarily from a pure technical perspective, although, nobody designs a car, dishwasher, furnace, pump, electric tooth brush, etc to last forever. I am sure when the 6 speed manual transmission came out people thought that would be the last transmission ever, wrong. I bet we'll see the 7000 in 12-18 months. Steve, I disagree with your premise. It is a fun topic though. Gerald, Greg, Steve, and Eric are all probably chuckling over our musing this point.
Best case, what is the revenue stream from every 6000 owner upgrading to v2? What is the revenue stream if 50% of the 6000 series owners upgrade to the 7000 series? Yes, it's only 35 people or so, but they still have to eat, pay mortgage and send their children to college.

@Howard, if you said you'd switch to Linux, it'll be out even sooner.

But Steve, tell us what you really think of Dayton!

Steve that's a saying, when someone goes off on something. You never heard it? It a distant cousin to, "Well, aside from that Mrs Lincoln, did you enjoy the play"? Yeah Steve, I got it the first time.

Whatever. I have never been to Dayton, though I did my undergraduate work in Ohio. But, literally ever person I've spoken to that had been to Dayton hated it there but they do the annual pilgrimage there anyway. Now I know I'll never waste my time. There was an awful lot of imagery in your description, I could visualize perfectly what you were describing, plus there was Howard's description of the raw sewerage...nuff said.

Discounting, for the moment, the whole 'knobs, dials, and switches" thing at this point KYI and, of course, Elecraft all have firmware upgrades therefore all have some portion of their signal processing done in software, digital. Take a look at Alpha 9500, multiple microprocessors controlling the amplifier, yet it still does analog (vacuum tube) amplification. Sure, the 2KFA and 1KFA or KPA-500 are digital, but would someone dismiss the Alpha 9500 as 1980's era legacy linear amplifier?
The first color TV cost millions of dollars, now they are door prizes. The cost has  nothing to do with IC circult density (Moore's), rather consumer marketing and parts from China and Taiwan. BTW, I am all for buying American.

the achilles' heel of direct-sampling designs: 
the A-to-D converter is exposed to hundreds if not thousands of
strong signals within the passband, and the peak power of these
signals due to in-phase addition can result in power spikes 
that cause IMD.

Everything has it's tradeoffs.

Joe, I think this conversation is done. it has left the world of fact. So, for peace, harmony, and the American way of life, let's all stipulate anything FRS sells is the best new thing ever, the rest is ****, and all enjoy our radios.