CW on SSB modes

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With the recent sporadic E openings on 6 meters, I find I miss a feature I had on my K3 which is the ability to transmit CW while in USB mode.  Currently, with the 6700, I have to change the mode to CW and drag the frequency up 600 Hz (or use XIT).  By then it is often too late to make the contact due to the fast QSB on 6 meters and certainly destroys the fluidity of mixing CW and SSB as needed in a QSO.   On the K3 while in USB mode (with CW on SSB enabled) I just have to start keying and the tone is put at the correct CW pitch for those listening in SSB mode.  Is this being considered for the 6000 series?





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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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George Molnar, KF2T, Elmer

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Have you considered having a second panadapter open, with one for CW, the other for SSB? Switching is a snap. Plus, it gives you the ability to keep an ear on (example) 50.125 SSB while snagging a new grid on 50.100 CW.


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Mike - W8MM

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6-meter DX needs a USB/CW easy switch between modes.  It is very common for DX stations to run a breakable CW beacon while there is no apparent opening.  Then, depending on signal strength, one needs an extremely easy way to switch between USB and CW wherein the CW tone doesn't change between modes.  This is universally expected.

Anyone who suggests otherwise hasn't spent any serious time chasing 6-meter intercontinental DX.

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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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Hi George and Mike,

Why the need to switch between modes or run multiple slices?  (I understand George's technique is a work-around I'll have to try.)  With "CW on SSB" enabled, effectively both modes are active at the same time.  Press PTT and the mike is open.  Use the keyer and CW is sent (with the proper offset so that the tone is heard properly by those listening on SSB).  No other switching is needed.  The only extra button press that may be needed is to shut off the beacon keyer for Mike's application
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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I like this Idea!  Especially on 6 Meters or when using a transverter on higher bands.
It could also be useful in allowing CW ID-ing on my 80/40 rag-chew nets!
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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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Ken, on the K3, the CW does not work while PTT is pressed.  That is a limitation.  I think the "CW on SSB" should mix right in with your voice if you happen to key while talking.  That would be ideal for your application.  Just set the CW keyer to a 10 minute ID repeat and forget about it.  Another improvement on the K3 implementation would be the ability to set the CW carrier level relative to your voice so that the CW IDing could be less intrusive during a rag-chew net.
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This user story has been entered and I'm sure we'll get it some day.
It is valuable as Mike says especially on VHF and up

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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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Good idea, Bob.  I hadn't thought of that!
If I could set my CW ID to about 10 watts when I am running 100 SSB, that would be just about right.  But that is a secondary usage.  The main idea is that I would love to be able to simply hit the keyer paddles (or computer keyboard) and send CW while working a weak one on 6 Meters.  I have never owned a rig that could do that, except for having an external sound card program hooked up to a second audio input and sending MCW.
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Bob and the rest: CW on SSB is mostly a VHF thing. On VHF, object is to work a station any way possible. When calling a station on SSB, and one can't make it, one can switch to CW on the same frequency. On many radios, switching to CW will send CW on the carrier freq, and the other station won't hear it as it is zero beat with his carrier, plus you would have to switch back to SSB to hear the other station. If, on SSB, the transmitter could be modulated with the CW sidetone, it should work just fine. If such a feature was added, it should be normally off, as it has little application on HF. --Mike, WV2ZOW
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Having both the K-3 and the KX-3  this CW active function is just sweet .>>>>>>>

2 slices just doesn't cut it . Sorry for that .

I absolutely vote for this . 
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Ernest - W4EG

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I like George proposal.

I setup the F6.7 on 6 meter with 4 or more slices. 

I open one slice on 5.0 to hear and see the beacons, 50.1 for CW, 50.125 for SSB, 50.276 for Digital, etc...

I am just one mouse (TX) click away from operating in any portion of the band or mode.  

I must add  a K3 does not have that ability or capability to cover that amount of spectrum.

If the band opening is that marginal, the chances of you working/not working that station are slim to none.

I just fail to understand why are they buying Flex radios?  If your K3 etc. can do so much more; Why change?



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hello
The function of having CW active with SSB is a great function.
And yes the K3 kx-3 has this ability. This is why I would actively request for Flex to have this ability.

Since I can compare both Flex suggestion fix " Like adding another slice" I can actually tell you that it is not as functional.
I am not wishing or thinking I am basing the request on reality .

On a personal preference note :

I did not like / appreciate the K-3 However the KX-3 is a totally impressive radio. Sherwood did not rate it as #2 because of the size .

So for me I am extremely fortunate to have both worlds .

Is having CW active in SSB a good reliable, usable, versatile , function Yes . I again vote for this to happen .
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We have this feature request in the database for possible inclusion in a future version of SmartSDR.
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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Excellent!  As a 6 Meter operator I will be glad to see it.
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Ken - VE5KC

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I'm looking forward to this being added!

I had this in both my TS-590S and FTdx300 rigs.. We have some nets that run on SSB but accept check ins in SSB & CW. At at times when conditions are poor and I can't be heard on SSB it is very handy to be able to quickly change to CW TX.
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My FT 2000 could do this and it was very handy. It would be a benefit at times to switch over without opening a new slice. I hope this is taken seriously.   73, Jim
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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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James, please add your like to this conversation.  The more likes, the more seriously this will be taken.
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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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Hi James, thanks for the like on my comment above, but I think, to get consideration from Flexradio on the idea, you have to like the whole idea conversation using the big like box at the top of the page.

73, Bob, N7ZO
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James Del Principe

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Hi Bob. I'm still new at this so each day is a learning experience. I found the big "LIKE" button at the top and gave it a hearty 'click'.    Hope this helps. 73, Jim
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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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That did it.  I hope it helps too.  I really enjoy the Flex 6700, but miss not having this feature.
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This was requested 3 year ago, where are we at with this today? Any chance of seeing this before V2.0?

All that was asked for was something that is standard on many other radios! I have it on my TS-590S and on my new FT-991A but not on my most $$$ rig - Flex 6500.  :-(

Ken - VE5KC
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It is marked as under consideration so any new post are not even easily seen.  That feature is right up there on the top of my want list with dax and vox working together.  I doubt if we will ever see frs implement.  Maybe in v3. or v4.  but by  then you will also need new hardware..

roger
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Ken - VE5KC

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This request is getting old. Are we any closer to the top of the list?

All we are asking for is a feature that is standard in radios like the TS-590 FTD-3000 & FT-991A... etc.

And.. Yes I know it can be done using 2 slices but awkward & not readily available to use..

73.. Ken - VE5KC
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I support this idea too - I am active on 4m and 6m with my 6300 and 6500 - on  my icom ic7400 there is a menu option to enable right shift when you change from ssb to cw and back and the same facility was on my pro 3. I use it a lot in contests on 4m and 6m and 2m and for dxing on those bands.
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If this becomes available please make it an option.  While I can understand the need I wouldn't want it to be active all the time.


Thanks,


Keith

AC9S

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It was a menu option on the FT 2000 but I kept it active all the time.   If you don't wish to use it, just don't hit the key. A drop down selection would be great.
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Same on the K3, it was a menu option, but buried deep under several button presses and knob spins.  Not very fast to get to. (A common problem with options on conventional knobbed radios.)  So I just left it on and was aware that touching the key would transmit.  Not really any different than how you treat the key in CW mode.
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James Del Principe

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Exactly my point. No problem in leaving this on.    Let's hope it's in a future release.
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James Del Principe

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I also used it to tweek my amplifier.......into a dummy load, of course.  Save lots of 'clicks'.
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Bob Wright, N7ZO

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Again, just to make sure this is clear:  We are not talking about changing over from SSB to CW and back, even with the correct shifts as in Steve's IC-7400.  This proposal is CW simultaneously with SSB.  No switching.  No additional slices.  Press PTT and get the mike.  Operate the key and get CW at the proper pitch so that those listening on SSB can hear it.  Or do both together.  Very fluid and great for working in strong and fast QSB as is experienced on 6 meters and above.

73, Bob, N7ZO
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I've seen this used with an SSB contact to assist the ending of a QSO as the band was fading out.
As I was deciding if I wanted to become a ham, my future Elmer used this technique to professionally end a trans-Pacific QSO from Oregon to Japan.  I instantly understood how CW could augment and aid a voice  conversation.  That demonstration helped me decide to overcome my reluctance to learn CW and study to get my ham ticket.  This is a great idea. (IMHO)
Ted
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Now there are three.  With 1.5 I would like to be able to (Automatically?) switch between CW SSB and/or RTTY. For example on FD 2M call CW in all three languages and respond/log in whichever mode answers.
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Ken K7YR

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This feature would be great.

We participate in CW practice on 3970 each day.  By combining the CW and SSB operation at the same time we are able to teach, correct, ask questions and guide those who wish to learn and improve their speed and accuracy.

I have been able to get by using two slices muting the CW slice and selecting the correct offset. , but of course I need to select one or the other mode to transmit.  It would be wonderful to accomplish this without this workaround solution.

Ken
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Ken, can you give details on your CW practice?   73, Jim
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Good Morning Jim,

CW practice is held most every day on 3970.  All speeds, beginners to advanced.  It may be 5 letter/number groups, it may be all call signs, DX and domestic.  We may ask trivia questions and look for correct answers. Send short paragraphs that ask questions, have the participants do the same.  The back up for all this is the ability to discuss the proceedings on ssb.  It works well and seems to be a lot of fun.  In addition to the active participants there are more in the wing walls listening. Usually less than one hour per session

At first there was a loud cry of displeasure from some for using the SSB portion of the band for CW practice, but that has long since diminished. The practice has brought along quite a few to well over 30 WPM and some have even taken control duties on some of the CW nets up here.

Hope this answers your questions

Ken Rau K7YR   
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Thanks, Ken.     One more question:   What time do you get on?         73, Jim