Buying a Flex?

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I was listening on 40m. It was asked, why buy a Flex when you can buy another kind of SDR for much less and does the same thing?

Many people who buy a Mersedes simply like the finer things in life, and they buy them because they can. they like the paint, fit and finish, the feel. The car is so well refined. They could buy a Hyundai witch has many of the same features and maybe more. And it gets you around the same way from here to there. But it is not as expensive or as refined. It's just not a Mersedes.

Why do people buy an amp costing $10.000 instead of buying an Ameritron amp? they both do the same thing, amplify.

It seems many buy a Flex for many reasons. The Flex Radio is very well refined. Fit and finish is great, well engineered inside and out, and expensive. These customers like the finer things in life. It is not just about price. And lets not forget the best costumer service in the business. And having such wonderful software helps too.

These are some of my thoughts, do you have any?
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I don't buy the analogy.  I know I'm in the minority here, but I think the performance of the Apache/ANAN rivals the Flex 6K (I own both).  I prefer my Flex 6500 for certain things and I prefer my ANAN-100D for certain things.  Unfortunately for those who wish to think simplistically, it's a more complex issue that A is better than B.

And as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on whether doing the processing in the FPGA (Flex) or doing it in the PC/Cuda processors (ANAN) will prove the better approach in the next 5 years of SDR evolution.  The pace of development is a major concern to me.

73, Barry N1EU
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Walt, I think you misunderstand my first sentence.  That sentence was about making changes to a released product in general.  That was not about cross platform.  Regardless of the industry making changes to released software is difficult.

However I have to say that cross-platform in my opinion is certainly more difficult than just one platform.  How difficult is always a debate and depends upon your goals and preparation.  I will guarantee 100% I can create a well defined program that runs acceptably on one platform faster than I can do so and achieve the same exact functionality on multiple platforms.  I would never give the label "easy" to anything about software and certainly not to functional software duplication across multiple platforms.

Tools are certainly better. In the old days it was done by hand and it took a lot of work and if you had a goal of the software looking and functioning identically it became much harder.

As far as user docs, don't read me wrong there either.  I'd much prefer that FRS simply did the Wiki and kept it up today.  That way it becomes the authoritative document it should be for all of us to work from. 

But I sense they are pushing on other fronts so for now much of what is missing in the Wiki must be discovered and it seems senseless for me to work to discover something you, Don, or Stu have already discovered. 

It is a paradox because without a doubt you, Don or Stu could make a mistake and lead people the wrong way.  That is why I'd rather FRS just had it done.  Maybe instead of user written FRS could contract with one of the well versed users to bring the Wiki up to date.

What I can agree on with you in this is where FRS should spend their efforts.  Colors and look/feel seem ok to me.  I'd rather have work put in on the things that matter (plus getting the Wiki updated!!!   :-)
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@AL...Just to clarify, I do NOT have any inside information about GUI changes in v.2.0.  My intention was to preface it with a big IF...  I do seem to remember very early on, when timelines were still published, that there was talk about getting the functions up and running with v.1.x and then perfecting the GUI and other things, like adding dockable/undockable utilities and controls sometime in v.2.x.,  not necessarily in v.2.0 itself.  

Again, to avoid any appearance that I may be leaking any inside information, which I do not have, i was merely speculating that IF they are planning on renovating the GUI sometime in v.2.x  it would not make sense to make major changes in v.1.x  which would then need to be rewritten for v.2.x....simple changes, yes.  But at this point, with 2.0, I assume, under intense development, I don't anticipate any more major releases under v.1.x.  But this is purely my uninformed opinion.

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Thanks for you explanation and telling us what you have planned. It really does help in letting us know where Flex is going.

I have a feature that I would like so much that I would sell my children for - I lied, they are teenagers so I would give them away, hi hi.

Seriously, I would like any slider under the mouse cursor to get the focus and the wheel to be able to adjust it. I would also apply that to any possible changeable item. It would allow easy fine tuning of any control. And there are many adjustments that need to be made to get the best out of a Flex that making then as easy as possible has to be a good thing®.

I will do my best not to mention this any more.

@ Walt Corey - KZ1F

"So, again Guy, please let this one go"

I will do what I can mate ;-).

73 de Guy
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Unfortunately, doc cannot be an afterthought. The, well intentioned, we'll circle back on that later ends up as an arrow not a circle. However, the reality is the best source of definitive doc is the source code. That leaves school of hard knocks. This is why I suggested well defined Google searches rather than getsatisfaction's internal search engine. Google will actually find pertinent threads on here getsatisfaction never did., in my experience.

I've actually spent a lot of time designing software that was portable, dating back to early 90's when I was tasked with architecting my current employer's cross platform environment. This allowed software on IBM mainframes to be peer nodes with software running on aix or OS/2 or, yes, even lowly Windows, hpux, sun, etc.. We were an ISV, it was important to write our software only once. I don't mean peer as in connected via TCP, I mean identical classes and methods and source code. The development groups had a single framework and API set so they didn't need to learn multiple tools and frameworks. Riding a bike is hard if you've never done it before. You fall down a lot at first, eventually you stop falling down.
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@Walt,

I have done so as well.  I have a number of products that were done both ways:

a) cross-platform (win, mac, linux) to start with
b) cross-platform (win, mac, linux) started with one, added the others

I did VAX programming for a while.  A little on CDC mainframes.  But went almost all micros in 1980.

I completely agree.  If you work in my example "a" then it is far easier than doing "b" unless you started "b" knowing you would add the other platforms.

I still will stand by the following:

If you break a program down into the following layers:

Interface - Interaction with the op
Core functionality - the guts
HAL - Interaction with the hardware

And yes this is HUGELY simplified, I will maintain the following:

If writing a program for ONE platform, Windows perhaps you will spend less time on Interface and HAL than you would if you tried to write the same program to achieve identical look/feel on cross-platform.

A simple case in point:

HAL - Access to serial ports:

In windows you refer to them as COM#.  In Mac/Linux they might be /dev/ttyxx or something similar.  In Windows there is an API to deal with a serial port.  In Mac/Linux they are devices so you deal with them a little more like a file with a few extra functions to control things.

I must beg for some leeway here as I've not done serial ports in Linux for some time.  But back when I wrote my own PacketBBS I did it on Unix and every serial port was a /dev/tty type device with some IOCTL thrown in for good measure.

In your core level you would never expose that low-level stuff to your program.  But as you say you'd have an API, perhaps OpenPort(), SendToPort() or whatever.  But at your HAL level YOU DO have to handle the two cases with more code and therefore... more time.

I do a lot of work in Qt.  It is cross-platform even to the point of running on small devices, iOS, handhelds etc.  In that nice framework they have QSerialPort and QTCPPort which all work nicely to shield my code from having to think much differently about ports, EXCEPT again differences in OS present different options...  Even Qt is famous for saying their functions still rely upon the core functionality in the OS so if that behaves differently then you will see different behavior.

I recently wrote a small test program to read data over serial from a optical sensor.  I had it running under windows and after an initial use the scientist using it said, hey... I have a MacBookPro... could it run on that?

Well again it was not designed from ground up to be compatible but since it used the Qt framework I simply fired up Qt on mac, recompiled it and it ran.  Unfortunately the serial port stuff was just slightly different.  When I plugged in my KeySpan USB adapter it showed up in the mac as some device and my little program had made some assumptions about windows com ports.

Anyway it took about 30 minutes to resolve that and I had it working only to be told by the scientist it was no big deal... he had a Windows laptop too... sigh...

Anyway Walt, I have huge respect for your background and it is ok to disagree.  It is the spice of life after all.  But I will stand by my words that adding cross-platform adds time.  Perhaps not much but it will take longer to achieve 100% identical operation across multiple platforms.

I have yet to find a framework that completely isolates you.  Sure one could be created but I think most people get to a certain point and figure beyond that you can just ifdef your way through the rest.
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Why did I purchase my FLEX?  I looked at others, sure and for one reason or another I didn't like either the layout of the connections, necessity for adapters, where connections where located, the software available to run them and the list goes on.  

I settled for the FLEX, because I like the fit and finish, functionality, easy integration, great product support (both software and hardware), flexibility.... and this list goes on as well.

At first I was also startled by the cost, but after having the FLEX I realized I actually have 4 radios (FLEX-6500), so to do what I'm able to do with a traditional radio I would need 4 of them, granted I would be able to transmit through each of them at the same time, but who does that? That's like owning 2 cars... Ya can't drive them both at the same time.

I'm 100% sold on FLEX radio and looking forward to all the new products and features I'm sure they have planned

David
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Cost? If you compare the cost of the 6300,  at least, to Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu big box radios that approach having comparable features, it costs less (perhaps a lot less) and it does more, and the radio gets better over time with software upgrades.  I've gotten rid of my Icom IC-7600, a great radio, and have never looked back.

-Phil
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Yep.. sold my ICOM-9100 and the Kenwood TS-590 now sits...
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The excellent support of Flex Radio is admittedly a huge advantage.

Unless the user is a bit of an experimenter, the Apache/ANAN is probably not a good choice.
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I understand what Bill is saying, except I do not think FLEX is owned only by people who are members of the "Mercedes" class.  I drive a Toyota Corolla and operate a FLEX because its performance and ease of use.  : )
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There is a little story about the owners of Ducati motorbikes. "Do you know why there are not many Ducati’s owners motoclubs? Why they meet each other every Monday morning on the mechanic workshop!" Same thing for the Flex. I am not able to lose a single message in the this group, waiting for surprise or tricks . You Flexers keeps me not alone in the world. They call it Flex therapy :-)

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Software Defined Radios by their name are radios defined by the software available for them. Some of the newer SDR's don't have mature software even available and/or it is unknown if there will ever be any available from the company who made the radio.
And I am NOT interested in SDR radio with a built in panadapter screen as the only or main option.
I chose Flex over the Anan radios for 2 reasons. One is that I had a Flex 1500 so I know what PowerSDR can do - and I know Flex stood behind it as far as bugs and getting it to a mature state. And I feel that they will continue to add value and maturity to SmartSDR, especially because it is not totally free software.
And the Software API's convinced me that for my intentions this was the way to go.
I won't argue and discuss which hardware architecture is superior but I am sure my new 6300 is no "slouch".
If I had the money I would get numerous SDR radios but since I can only afford one major one I chose Flex for the above reasons and the faith I have in the Flex Radio Company and their entire staff of great employees.

---Gary WB8ROL
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Interesting thing here. At first I, too, thought the 6500 was equivalent to 4 radios, the 6700, equivalent to 8. Wicked cool for those contest clubs as they could drive 4, or 8, seats with one radio. Nope, illogical equivalency. It's one radio with vfo c and D or c-h. Plus 4, or 8, can't even all listen at the same time, never mind talk. No, that's not bashing, it's being intellectually honest about what it is and is not.

I think what it comes down to, and I agree with Barry, does one change the mission parameters to match the equipment or change the equipment to match the mission parameters? Not everybody shares the same goals...and that's OK. I don't want to ascribe motives to other people's stmts but what makes me scratch my head is the completely hypobolic exuberance which some wax poetic about their adoration of their Flex and should one not feel likewise they were obviously misinformed. The flip side of that being the piling on against those not sharing that hypobolic sentiment.

Frankly, what I think the jury is still out on is when, and at what price point will SDR just pull away from the pack. Are all radios throttled by the same atmospheric physics that mean the differentiators will be manufacturing cost and marketing hype?
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My Flex purchase decision wasn't a Mersedes (uh... Mercedes) vs Hyundai decision, in fact cost had nothing to do with it.  As for refinement, compared to PowerSDR and other radios on the market, there are certain features I'd like to see rolled into SmartSDR.  Contesting isn't a high priority for me so the idea that my Flex-6700 could be used by 8 different people never entered into my mind either, but I do enjoy clicking on a preset Profile for CW, Digital, or Phone, and being able to monitor activity on up to 8 band slices at the same time, and I no longer miss out on short 6m band openings.  Also I really enjoy having the ability to watch multiple bands as they open and close and I found I very much enjoy seeing and hearing control changes on a large spectrum display, rather than just hearing them on my other equipment. 

What drew me to the Flex is mainly its control flexibility and the dedicated folks at FRS who continue to improve the product.    
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Made in the USA
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David, that was my reasoning too. I could not bring myself to buy something made in India. I have many Indian friends and when I was in hospital for 4.5 weeks a few months ago, I also had many 'interesting' chats about that country and its infrastructure.
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I just bought my 6500 and the reasons for doing so are all still clear in my mind. Very few of those reasons were highly practical. Mainly it was a treat for me. If not on the bleeding edge I feel like I'm on the cutting edge or at least kinda out there. Somewhere. I spent weeks reading reviews of the different radios (legacy and SDR), watching Youtube videos and lurking in this and other communities. By the time I could afford a radio in this class I have to say - the decision was already made.

Best or impressive specs are one thing but I had a blast with my old FT-817ND. My Argonaut - wonderful. TS-830S... best classic rig ever made. It had beautiful audio. I still have no real idea what the IP3 or S/N ratios or MDS or anything like that is for any radio I ever owned and it never made a difference. I could make them all work and be real happy with them. Same here with the 6500.

Maybe a lot of this is the type of operator I am. I ragchew CW and PSK-31. I don't hunt DX and if the signal is too weak for a good QSO I just keep spinning the dial (or mouse wheel). I'll dabble in a contest but not be too serious about it.

From this perspective, I think I bought into the Mercedes attitude Bill talks about. I got my hands on the best radio I could afford. I'm having a blast.
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Why did I buy my 6300 ? Frankly... I would call it entrapment. This is my 3rd Flex(if you count the still unbuilt 1000 kit in the top drawer) I bought my 3000, had years of fun participating in and watching PSDR become mature. The radio rekindled the excitement in amateur radio for me and between on air use and the online group,  I had thousands of hours of enjoyment from it. Then after 5 or 6 years of use  I sold it for $500 less than I originally paid for it. IE: It cost me less than $100 a year to own it. That's extreme value in my books !   That... coupled with a very positive service experience from Flex, left me no choice really.      A clear case of Entrapment indeed... I love my 6300 (sorry Burt) and I'm still having as much fun as I first had with the 3000.  AND... there's plenty more to come...
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Kind of silly 40m conversation from my point, as neither my Flex-6300 or Flex-6700 (#11) are "luxury trophies" in terms of the car analogy. 

I really liked my Flex-5000A and was very quick to put a deposit for a 6700 when announced. 

The new Signature Series radios, from the earliest pre-release software onwards have been a blast.

Having that kind of fun is big big part of why amateur radio appeals personally. 

Currently I don't have a "trophy" radio having sold the Hilberling PT-8000A. 

BTW consumer car brands like Mercedes are just another choice in some of the countries I've lived, and a "Yank Tank" like a big Lincoln, Suburban or Caddy were the premium choices.  Even here the last several rental cars I've had were Mercedes (the 4-door with the turn-off-when-at-traffic-lights model) and were far less luxurious than my personal car.

Back to the Flex-6700 - I am very appreciative of an architecture, software (both delivered and potential), and end result rivaling what would have taken an unaffordable amount of money, space and personnel not so many years ago.

That I can so intensely dig out signals using simple amateur scale antennas is a massive pleasure.

Having in process the build of a second station, I've tried to fully integrate both the present level of the Flex-6000 (the 6300 at my Island QTH will give way to a 6700 once the build is far enough to make use of the added Radio-Server abilities), the near time pending (Maestro and next software step-ups) and the likely potential growth of the product capabilities.  I'm also pumped that can do DogparkSDR and run them from my iMacs. 

Even the XYL is pumped about the Maestro aspect of the Flex-6000, as the "guts" of this shack can be located in a secure but otherwise unused portion of the QTH and the Maestrocentric Operating Station can be in the main living space.  She has even asked why I am not doing it at our home QTH rather than having the operating position in the old wine cellar? Her question made letting her know I already have a Maestro for each location on the way,  argument free!

Not the most important takeaway I can offer any prospective Flex-6000 owner is YMMV.  Some products just do not "jell" for certain people.  No shame either in the person or product if something else ends up their first choice.  I'm going to guess that my first choice in pistol isn't going to even be close for a good number of pistol owners.  Nor is my current first choice when riding motorcycle going to do it for a lot of riders.  You might not even like my LPDA and Hexbeam antenna choices.

But they all work well for me.  And I have zero interest in claiming any of my choices is good, better, best.  Why?  Because they are "best for me!"

So pick what is best for you - whether a $250 investment in a vintage transceiver your repair, a $25K matched set of German conventional jewelry-grade TX/Amp/Power-supply in a neat color, the neat ANAN product group, or your new Flex-6000. 

For myself, here and now, the sweetspot is a Flex-6000.  YMMV!

73

Steve

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I'm very sorry but I really do not believe that this is an appropriate place for discussion of firearms! In this country they are banned and long may it continue!

I'd rather see my bandwidth used for talking about FlexRadio devices!

David G4NRT
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David - I agree this is not the right place to discuss specifics.  

As a clarification Firearms as a whole are NOT banned the UK.  I've held a UK Shotgun permit myself, but gave it up when I moved jobs & country.

Handguns have become so, so they are not restricted to the Government(s) (legal hold) and Gangs (illegal of course).  I carried a pistol often while on active duty in Europe, even though I almost never wore any uniform.  

Unlike where only in the remotest parts of the UK do you have the self-protection needs faced in our wilderness, so yes many of us do drag something with us when we go to the field.  

One size doesn't fit all - YMMV - and while we agree that this community isn't the place for details (that is unless FRS offers FRS branded pistols....<grin>) remember your situation is also not universal.

BTW it is only in the UK where I had my cars stollen, my house broken into, and where knife wielding punks tried to mug me.  I also had three instances of plain old thugs physically attack in the UK.  I am please to say I left every one of them well punished on the personal attacks, something they didn't expect given the sheeple temperament of the average mark.  

I do not consider the UK personally very safe, and there are entire communities you could never go to and set your radios up in the park.   

That all happens for a lotto reasons, including the disarmament of the responsible portion of the society.  Sad political shitty thinking that costs lives.

YMMV & 73,

Steve K9ZW
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Agree 110% Steve. My father held a firearms licence before they were banned and it is a great hobby. I wish I could take it up now. But because the police did not do their job properly and let some nutters get a licence the responsible majority have to suffer. I have had so much firearms training that I actually taught one of my patients a few things - and he is in a unit that guards the Royal Family!

First and last post on this OT topic, but I could not resist this one ;-).
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>I really do not believe that this is an appropriate place for discussion of firearms

I agree
that this is off-topic for this forum.  I apologize to the community for my part in propagating the discussion. It happens here sometimes... and I, for one, appreciate the gentle reminder that we should stay on topic.


Peter
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P.S.  I *do* feel the need to tangentially add: The legality of a particular item or practice in a given country should not be a relevant factor when determining the suitability for discussion in this forum -- Ham activity on the 4 meter band is "banned" in the US, but that doesn't a priori make it an unsuitable topic for conversation here.
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I would just like to off-topically add that going off-topic is not a capital offence or even one that merits painful retribution or opprobrium. It is quite natural in human intercourse...just like looking up Fred Astaire in wikipedia and following ones nose and ending up in quantum physics - and that is without any medication ;-).
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I was fortunate in that two of our club members are on the Flex Alpha team and I had the opportunity to actually make a DX contact using a 6X radio at one of our club fall picnics, followed shortly by the full dog-and-pony show at the ARRL Midwest Convention in 2013.  I'd been largely inactive for nearly 15 years and was in the market for a new rig.  Before seeing the Flex, I'd been ready to buy a new Yaesu FTdx3000, but actually seeing the Flex in action changed my mind.  Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I worked in communications intelligence for a certain 3-letter agency.  I saw in the Flex, the technology we would have killed to possess in the old days, and when I learned the history of the company, my mind was made up.  I ordered a 6500, and then at Dayton last year  pre-ordered a Maestro.  In 53 years on the air, neither Collins or Yaesu have given me as much fun, or as much success as I've had in the past 2 1/2 years with the 6500.  Right now I'm listening to LU1ZI in the South Shetlands on 10m with a signal level of about -126dBm which is almost strong enough to work if the band will just give me about 3 more dB to compensate for my modest antenna and lack of an amp.  I love being part of an on-going development project and look forward to each new release like a kid waiting for Christmas.
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Did you ever get them Rick? I did twice, as I recall 12 and 30, but they show up as Argentina. 30 doesn't quite sound right though, esp at 200w. 12 for sure.
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Not on 10, but I have them on 15, 17, 20 & 30, all CW.  They will be an ATNO for me if I can get the QSLs.  I'm at 290 confirmed on LoTW and they're getting a bit harder to come by, but this has been a good week.
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Why do I have a Flex....because it's a radio I could afford that still gives me the ability to work that occasional new band-mode I need.

There may be others, but my 5K was a solid performer. And I tend to dance with the lady I know the best.

And yes Judy and I just celebrated our 55th wedding anny in January.

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Congratulations on your 55th. Keep dancing!
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Truly!!! Keep dancing indeed! Congrats Bill, to you and your bride.
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I'm addicted to the display! I have a subscription to RemoteHamRadio. Big stations, BIG antennas makes you feel all powerful and DX just falls often at the first call. But I really miss the display so I don't use RHR.

I also really look forward to the remote. I have a limited antenna setup due to HOA so I have this dream of getting a small plot of land where I could build a brick shack to house my radio and amp and a nice big tower with a LP beam perhaps. All this could be run from my normal home.

At least this is what I want to do. It solves my antenna problem. Gets RFI away from the home, perhaps a better location for the antenna, lower noise, all that.

The cost is somewhat high. First there is the land, the power, the internet. Ideally if I could get a place in line of sight I could use a dedicated wireless lan. That would be ideal.

But this is years off. Maybe I can get some others interested to share the station, share the expenses, etc.
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I had the abolity to use an Anan 200D side by side with my 6500 and 6700. The Flex and Anan both have some feature that each does better than the other.

For me, the tight integration of the Flex tp the accessories and softare in my shack using DdUtil, DAX, and SmartSDR Cat maake it a breeze, especially for remote operation. This evening I am here 750 miles from home operating my radio with an iPad and Bluetooth earpiece. Reports are excellent and it couldn't be much simpler. Sure you can do it with the Anan but it is much more cumbersome.

Another nit but a big nit for me is the poor power calibration on the Anan. According to the manual you calibrate it at 100 watts out on each band. The issue is it does not track linearly from 1 to 100 watts out. I had huge issues tring to get the Anan to do a full 100 watts on 12 meters, thrn when I did, a setting of 20 would give me 68 watts out!

The Anan has a fun gactor if you want to experiment and tinker. It is highly customizable with the PowerSDR mRX graphics and there are other programs you can use. I do feel the panadapter on the Flex is much more detailed and pleasant to watch.

There is no right or wrong as to which is right when a person asks. It depends on what they want out of the radio. I prefer a solid radio that is physically superior in construction and seamlessly interfaces into my shack.

Dave wo2x
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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I somehow mis-posted this to another thread, so I am reposting it here where it belongs.  
Sorry if the duplication is problematic...

Why did I buy the 6500?  
Well...I started SDR with a 1500 and fell "in love" with SDR.  (Yes, I know we are supposed to "love" people and "use" things.  Not the other way around....so perhaps I should say, I am EXTREMELY HAPPY with SDR.)

I was thinking about moving up to a Flex-5000, which at the time was my "dream" radio, when I saw the ad for the upcoming 6700/6500 "game changer."  Three or four weeks after receiving the 1500, in January 2013, my wife agreed that I should order a 6500.  (I really wanted a 6700, but negotiations and $$$ can only go so far!)

I wanted once in my life to have a top-line, high performance rig. My last one was a Kenwood TS-850SAT that I had for 20 years.
 
The selling points for me were:
1) absolutely crunch-proof receiver.
2) unparalleled transmit audio
3) fabulous receive audio
4) brick-wall filtering.
5) a panadapter that can't be beat - including extremely wide-band display.
6) a panafall that moves with the tuning, unlike on PSDR.
7) The concept of the major SDR "guts in the rig" rather than needing a high-power computer to do the crunching.
8) ethernet connectivity, with remote-ability in the future.
9) stunning CW performance capability due to fast internal processing and brick-wall filtering.
10) best in the industry service.
11) being on the "cutting edge" of amateur radio technology.
12) having a rig that would "grow" with me, not one that was becoming obsolete as soon as I purchased it.

I have joked with my wife, Dee, (N9FYE)  is that in my mid-life crisis, I was too poor to buy a sports car, and she (and my "boss") wouldn't let me have a mistress, so I bought a 6500!
When my dad left me a few bucks at his passing, what didn't go to finance my pension, and a family vacation, part of it helped finance the 6500 and tower/LP antenna.

This will likely be the rig and antenna I will retire with, albeit in a different location in 6-10 years.

I have had no regrets...Is it perfect?  Not yet.  But every new software update has brought me enhanced performance, additional features, and more fun.  I look forward to many more to come.

My wish-list for modifications, enhancements and new features is long and creative, like many others.  I have seen some of them already come to fruition.  Others will wait.  perhaps until v.4.0 even.  But every few months, it is Christmas all over again.  That has been part of my enjoyment.

I'm enjoying my 6500!

Ken - NM9P
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Mark - WS7M

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If Ken wasn't so "old" and had posted in the wrong thread we'd not be having this lively conversation!   :-)

I laughed hard about the paper shredder then laughed again when Ken mis-posted because guys... I think I do these things daily!!!  

The point in time when we can no longer laugh at our own mistakes is when we really are too old...

Keep on misposting Ken!   Keep on kicking the paper shredder Bill.  Just know that your actions made the day a little lighter and that is good for all of us.  I'll post my next mistake in a few minutes I think... LOL
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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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Since this praise topic has veered off course, I have decided to close it.

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