Audio Scope

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Is there any future plans to enhance the Smart SDR with an audio scope like there is on the Icom 7300 and TS 990? Can it even be done??
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Yes, it can be done.  Yes, the feature request is in the database for consideration in a future version of SmartSDR.  And before anyone asks, no, we cannot speculate on when that feature might be included in the software.
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Tim you poor soul, I feel for you man, ha...
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KK9W - Steve

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Any idea when it might be implemented . . . Joke
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EA4GLI - 8P9EH - Salvador

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I would be very disappointed if FRS goes that route, pay per feature. I think there is room for improvement in smartsdr, and added functionality is definitely one of the reasons I personally bought the product. A higher level of customization of the GUI would be great, understanding that a completely modifiable gui carries a heavier burden on tech support FRS could enable things like a button that takes you back to the default GUI settings (like sdr console). Audio scope, rtty decoding, etc... Could be elements of smartsdr that I can decide to display or not display.
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No, I don't mean we would need to buy these features, just my point that windows have lots of programs out side of the main install as features.

But SSDR is still young, I'm sure down the road things will come around as they make there way through the list they have. One nice thing about Flex is knowing it is always evolving and not standing still even though at times it seems slow.
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Bill, Microsoft has a systems group and an application group. They both have products.

Mike, Flex could create a separate window, detached from the main application window. Not to speak for you but I suspect why people prefer separate apps has more to do with forcing separate windows. For myself, I prefer compatibility, esp given the frequency of changes to the SSDR (the radio).
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Walt ....yes compatibility is key. I was just simply trying to say if a third party does it well then there imo there is no need for FRS to duplicate their work. For me n1mm is perfect and I do not want to see FRS devote time and energy into developing their version of a contest logger, however I understand that their are some users that would feel slighted if FRS did not produce a logger for them if another rig had a logger incorporated.

Bill and Salvador.... I understand my pay to play proposal is probably a very unpopular suggestion but in the long run I think there is merit to the proposal.

One ... Every user's definition of the ideal SDR (or transceiver ) and it's associated features is different. Hence there appears to be a lot of potentially rewarding bad behavior via the squeaky wheel gets the grease when squeaky's idea might not be that good after all at least for others.

Two... As more and more features are added in an attempt to create the perfect rig for thousands of different users, then I see the potential for the rig's overall performance to decrease due to multiple processes running simultaneously and the future ability to add features common to all become more limited because there is simply no more memory left w/in the rig or the processing becomes too slow.

Three... The basic version of SSDR would be the jack of all trades program and semi feature rich.Still a leader in the industry. However, a user could opt to purchase say the 6000 series SSB professional suite of software. You upload that suite of software into your flex and that is the only mode that the flex will be capable of however all processing power would be optimized for SSB. Perhaps noise mitigation for SSB is different than say noise mitigation for cw and as a result the SSB professional suite would be customized for such. Expanded eq, compression, etc.

Four...finally not happy with the features provided in the basic version of SSDR well simply purchase the software suite that provides those features. For me that is a win win. Those who want a specific feature get that feature and those who do not want it will not receive it.

To me this has the potential to lengthen the life span of the 6k series which adds value and perhaps a new direction for the 7k series with it's leading edge scu and adc.
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you are so right...
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I believe this could be done as a side app via the API couldn't it?  when I peaked at the wiki it looked like the right calls were there for the C# libraries, but I didn't dive deep either.
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I'm sure it could but I would like to see it in Smart SDR and not "another" side app to run.
Could use one of the scope apps out there already and set up a DAX channel for that.
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Ah... the newbie I am, I didn't realize there were already scope apps out there that would work with it.
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Philip KA4KOE

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Never really figured out what the audio scope was good for except as "eye candy".
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Sorry Joe, but I'm not convinced.  Modern radios have very effective ALC and compression circuitry, and setting mic gain and compression is easy enough already on virtually any rig. What would an 'audio scope' add?  Paul M0CVX
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Us old dinosaur hams think it is important to evaluate the signal you are radiating. On AM, you can check for distortion, percentage of modulation, hum. Same with RTTY and SSTV modulation/demodulation. I believe a cheap (and they are very cheap these days) oscilloscope a very important part of the ham shack. Of course, I actually enjoy spending time in the ham shack .. 

An audio scope app has value ... but a hardware oscilloscope can be used for so much more.
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@W7NGA...well, I'm not exactly a spring chicken, and I am also an advocate of clean signals, but I'm still not sure what value an audio scope has in a rig like the 6000 series (I have a 6500). 

Besides, many signals are already clean enough...until they get pushed in to a 'linear' amplifier which is either driven beyond its linear region or has poor IMD performance; a built-in audio scope won't help there...it's the final transmitted signal that is important.

 Given the choice I'd rather the software development effort went in to adaptive pre-distortion (to make my signal cleaner using modern SDR techniques) rather than an audio scope...

Paul M0CVX (and AC5NO)

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Oscilloscopes are great fun ...
As I said ... the hardware oscilloscope allows you to see the signal and artifacts at the antenna (post-amplifier). I agree with you that the time-domain audio app has reduced value with such a wonderful frequency-domain instrument available in SSDR. 
My previous comments were related to using a hardware oscilloscope, not a windowed software app. Those apps are generally less than satisfying when looking at dynamic signals. The one in Fldigi isn't particularly useful, though the grandsons enjoy watching it
 
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