ARRL 160m CW with 6500

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I had a play in ARRL 160m cw contest on Friday night, Saturday and Sunday morning, in between doing 12 hour section in UKEI contest this weekend. 6500 performed well and I managed to give the GW dxcc mult to a few stations using my special contest call GW9J.

 ARRL 160-Meter Contest

Call: GW9J
Operator(s): GW0GEI
Station: GW9J

Class: SO Unlimited HP
QTH:
Operating Time (hrs):

Summary:
Total:  QSOs = 45  Sections = 28  Countries = 0  Total Score = 2,520

Club:

Comments:

Part time effort as also doing the 12 hour section of new UKEI dx contest on
80m-10m. Conditions seemed better on Sunday morning. Using Flex 6500, PA, into
160m inverted v dipole at 50ft.

73


Steve gw0gei / GW9J

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Nice Steve, I wasn't able to spend very much time on this contest.  I did 58 contacts....



I think I worked 6 or 7 countries, mostly in the Caribbean.
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I wanted to join in this so I made two contacts one in Delaware and one in Maryland:
 ARRL 160-Meter Contest

Call: K1OIK
Operator(s): K1OIK
Station: K1OIK

Class: 100 watts
QTH: Cape Cod
Operating Time :  15 minutes

Summary:
Total:  QSOs =2  Sections = 2  Countries = 0  Total Score = 2? or was it 4?
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2 points per QSO in an ARRL/RAC Section X # Countries + Sections = 4 X 2 = Total ARRL 160M Test SOLP (Single Operator Low Power assuming no spotting assistance) final score of 8

AWESOME Bert!!  DOUBLE what you thought you had.

Actually your Country total should = 1 (USA)  and that would make a corrected total of 12 points in the Test.

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12 points!!! Can I win if it is scored by hams living on my street?

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Hell hath frozen over.  Burt participated in a contest.  Where are my nitro pills???  Elizabeth, I am coming to meet you!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwPZu9L-CP0
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Tim? You remember Fred Sanford??? Take it as a compliment.
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I do very well.
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Well, excellent use of a vintage expression.
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LOL!  I almost had to grab my own nitro pills!
Burt, I hope you don't mind some good-natured ribbing!  

But be careful...it only takes a few hits of the contesting drug to turn you into an addict...

I can see it now...

"Hi!  My name is Burt, and I am a contesting addict.  
It all started on 160 Meters last year.  
I only made a few contacts and I thought I could handle it...."

"Then I snorted some lines of 10-10.  
That led to ARRL Sweepstakes,
and finally I was mainlining CQWW straight up..CW even!
I kept telling everyone that it wasn't a problem.  I could quit any time I wanted to......But I finally had to admit it...I AM A CONTESTER!"

If you need a sponsor, I am here for you.....

Ken - NM9P
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I am an addict but to teaching kids, when one teacher had illness in her family I was more concerned about me not teaching her class than the illness in her family. That is not right.
That said rib me all you want. There is zero chance I will ever want to contest, I have a life.
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All in good fun...
But seriously, Thanks for your dedication to teaching. My dad taught 4th - 6th grades for 39 years. I benefitted from his love of learning, and his love of teaching. He taught me some math tricks when I was a third grader and then had me show his sixth graders so that he could challenge them with "You guys can learn this. My 8 year-old can do it!"
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And what does that say about the rest of us???? My last contest was in '89, as I recall.
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I brought my 8 year old daughter into my high school electronic class to take a practice ham exam, with code. She scored the highest. And what does that say about today's high schools?
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It says a lot more about the quality of current teachers
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Actually it says FAR FAR more about the parents  and today's society (trophies for everyone). In many cases teachers do the parenting. Tell me Howard, when was the last time you talked to a kid
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Every day to my grandkids.

Yes the current rules "don't offend every' one by not giving them a trophy" is an issue as it fails to prepare them for real life competition where only the winners get the trophy

However the major cause of the decline of US education is the overly powerful teachers unions who have gutted the system so poor teachers cannot be fired and there is no accountability or performance measures.

A second cause of the decline is the eman'icipation of women. Smart college educated women used to only have two choices,,,get married or teach school. Now, those women have access to high paying competitive corporate jobs so for the most part you get second rate people teaching.

I said for the most part. BTW I did teach at the college level for a short while before embarking on an entrepreneurial career.
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Poor teachers can be fired if only the administration makes a small effort to do evaluations correctly and follow procedure. Evaluation instruments are very detailed. Teaching college has zero to do with teaching public school. Knowledge of the material is the only requirement for college, classroom management is required for public schools added with people skills.
A not dissimilar situation exists in ham radio where you can pass the test with minimal knowledge of radio. The Flex requires a user to make an effort as skill is required
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You are 100% correct Burt, the parents own 90-95 percent of the problem. When we were kids if parents got a call from the school, it was assumed they were correct no matter how much as kids we protested to the injustice of it all. And, ya know what, the school (teachers) were right. I've seen parents say to teachers,"No, my kid doesn't have to do this homework you assign. I don't bring work home with me, neither should my child". When we were in HS, it used to be occasionally if we had the balls to, we'd bunk school. Yes, that would generate a phone call and the truant officer would be on the lookout but now, if you're 18 you can just opt-out of classes or even the school day. The biggest problem as it relates to this that we, as a society made is saying an 18 yr old is an adult. Rather than lowering the age, they should have raised it. But that's a different conversation.  And, of course, NCLB also means NCGA (no child gets ahead).

What I do find interesting Burt is in that other conversation some months ago, you jumped on me for implying the amateur radio test was about on a par with the application for a CB license. Now it sounds like you are pretty much agreeing with that. Doesn't really matter though, is what it is.

The Flex requires a user to make an effort as skill is required
Huh? There are those that routinely can't operate a K3S because their forget or fat-finger the controls. The 990S I think requires a Certificate of Completion or so many CEU to operate as it too is run by programs and those programs need the user data to be configured.

The other 5%-10% There are bad teachers and just as any union sullies their reputation by defending members that should be let go or should not be given raises or promotions, so too with the teacher's union. Sometimes, for the good of the whole you have to be wiling eat a few of your own.
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@W7NGA

I have been called many things in my life, most of which I deserved

But I have never been honored with the title of 'idiot or moron" before

I suspect that you really meant to say iconoclastic which is a title I deserve for daring to challenge conventional thinking. But then I have been rather well rewarded for doing exactly that all my life so I must be right more than I am wrong.

I could go into a long treaties on the failings of the USA education system but i did already point out some rather obvious causes

I did have 3 kids who went through it. All 3 did private grade schools which were excellent. Two did private high schools which were excellent. One did public high school which was marginal at best in spite of being in LaJolla, CA. Two did orivate universities which was superb One did public universit UC Berkeley which was marginal by comparison. The one who did public high school had to work her but off to catch up in the private university

My experience with the highly unionized public school systems has been rather negative to say the least Yes I know I should not extrapolate from my small sample size as there are some excellent teachers toiling in the public system. But fortunately my grandkids are all in private schools.

@Burt

I take great exception to the blaming the parents ethos of the teachers unions as an excuse for teachers not doing their jobs.

I grew up in an immigrant ghetto where parents rarely spoke English, worked long hours and had little or no interaction with their kids schools. I went to public schools. We had homework that our unlettered parents could not help us with. But we had excellent dedicated teachers, weak teachers unions so bad teachers were quickly removed and bright females teaching. A significant number of my peers became successful professionals because we had good teachers., Not because of home life or our parents being able,or even willing to assist us.

When I ran companies, I could never get away with the excuse that my products failed because it was my clients fault. Yes...that is exactly the excuse you are using to justify our failing education system
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Take your damn great exception Howard and stick it where your pompous lack of knowledge in the real world is. I work with dedicated teachers. Private schools are no comparison to what real teachers have to deal with. Those schools can kick kids out without just cause. Public schools must teach and in many cases raise children when parents are off playing golf, buying Montana sized TVs. There was a day when if a kid got in trouble the kid got in trouble, today parents come in with lawyers. I recently had a kid whose parents had boats, great vacations etc, but the child wanted me to constantly give her hugs, she gave me her address, phone number. She wanted attention, not gifts.  The immigrant ghetto where parents rarely spoke English set a work ethic and gave love. 90% of the problem with education is in the home.
A kid this week said, "take me home."
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Apologies Howard. I thought you were saying that the decline of civilization was partly due to the emancipation of all women. Or something moronic as that ... I misread your statements.
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Burt, in our experience on paper you're right the contracts generally have language about 2 failing review, where offial reviews have to be scheduled. This has its own problems as a bad teacher will have the kids do book work that period or some such. But when it gets to the action stage the teacher or union threatens legal action and the district generally demures at that juncture.. What the union should do is tell the offending teacher they are on their own. Of course, perhaps they legally can't say that. However Howard's claim of second rate is nonsense. Teachers, any place we've lived, are required to have a minimum of a MEd and often have PhD s in education along with subject matter advanced degrees. The students may get summers off, rarely do any teacher.
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@Dan. Glad you understood my point. That smart women today who used to form the bulk of the teaching profession now have much more lucrative opportunities today. While I applaud the emancipation of wome as they add much to our society the unintended consequence has been a general lowering of the teaching profession.

@BURT. I know it's pointless debating with you..it's always someone else's fault not the teaching profession for the failure to teach.

I travel a lot and I have lived and/or worked in over 40 countries. As an observation...the stronger and more powerful the local teachers unions, the lower the quality of the end product. In California where I live, we have perhaps the strongest teachers unions, they have bought an paid for our legislature.. We have the highest paid teachers in the country and the worst performance === i.e. Our kids are ranked the lowest in every category. Yet we hear the constant refrain. We need more money.

Bottom line: In the long run, the poor state of our education system will hurt our international competitiveness.
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Howard I know it's pointless debating with you..it's always the teacher's fault, because you are the expert on everything. If it is the teacher's fault why do I become a better teacher when I have more Asian students. Why am I better teacher when my students have parents that are involved with their education? Why are the teachers in the highest income town on Cape Cod more successful (even though their pay is average) than teachers in the lower income towns? Do you think Mr. Know it mostly All that it could be related in any way to the parents?
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@ Burt "Why am I better teacher when I have more Asian students? <snip>"

Probably for the same reasons that I am a better dentist when I have a patient who listens to me and accepts my advice, rather than having some argumentative a-hole in the chair who thinks they know more than I. Best not to get me started on child patients with useless parents.
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Also in California is where the 40 child classroom was developed. When class size becomes that overcrowded it no longer is teaching, its warehousing, despite teachers best efforts. They devoted a whole Front line ( or Nova,) to the subject. So, I stand corrected, the taxpayers share some of the blame as well.
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And my wife's favorite complaint, parents who think they know more about education than teachers with MEd and PhDs in the field. If one does not value education, or public education, they construct this world view where they are the Expert and no one else knows what they are talking about. You see this in schools, especially with problem children and, frankly, right here.
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Expert on everything. No. But I do know what I don't know a damn thing about. Don't ask me about art or music. I don't have a clue.

Blame the teachers. All other things being constant school performance continues to drop. Somebody has to take responsibility.

In my immigrant ghetto education was not prized You were expected to go to work at 16 to help feed the family. We were lucky that we had great teachers who drilled into us the value of education so we were encouraged to debate our parents and finish school. I still had to work to help out.

In the commercial world when my products failed it was my fault not my customers. Yet in your world it's always the customers fault.

Richer neighborhoods Kids usually do better. True.
Rather obvious answer richer parents tend to have higher IQ which they pass off in their genes to their offspring. Easier to teach smarter kids.

Yes one can blame the parents for the gift of genes.
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No, one can blame the parent for having no books, not supporting the 'joy' of learning, whether it is in a classroom or in the back yard. If the child picks up on, which they will, that education and learning new things is not valued by their parents, they will not value it either. Even giving flight instruction, if the student, generally an adult, is not ready to learn, all the flight instructor is doing is yapping at them as he flies the 'student' around. Also, if a child does not get feed properly and get enough sleep they are not ready to learn. Generally, and I stress generally, the teacher is the last person to blame on the blame list. As is highly evident by much of what Burt says, teaching is something the teacher really has to be vested in doing as a vocation. When you have 150 to 200 students each day it is draining. It is WAY easier to design software.

It is not the IQ of the parents, it is the willingness to learn, the willingness to instil the intrinsic value of learning, and the internalized realization that education is crucially important to the child’s future. My wife has taught in a low income school, those kids were, on a whole, ready to learn. It was of the utmost importances to their immigrant parents that their children have a better life future than they have/had.
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I will add this when the subject of the Newtown shootings came up in the teacher's room no one thought the teachers that died were heroes. Why? Because it is our job to protect the students. When I ask the students what is the most important thing I do they say, "protect us." I look forward to September and not to June. The attached is way more valuable than the pay check
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Burt, do you have a lot of 504's there? I am thinking specifically of the one you mentioned previously.

Also, thank you for, again, reiterating my point. People don't go into teaching because, "aw shucks, I didn't get offered SVP of Product Marketing".
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Burt, Walt and I could debate this forever and never agree.

I think it's time we stopped hijacking the 160M topic and close this thread.
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Walt I mentioned a disability case before?
Howard, you are right talking about using a 6500 on CW is much more important.
Although the thread did stray, it is refreshing to hear the views of highly intelligent people that own Flex then hear the views of some on Facebook who base their station in life on the size of their truck. It takes no brains to have a big truck, it takes brains to use a Flex
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I was only able to operate 5 1/2 hours on Friday night from about 10:15 p.m. to about 3:45 a.m. Saturday Morning  (EST).  Using only my 160 Offset Fed Dipole at about 35 ft.  Scored about half what I did last year.
Still not too bad for a limited operation - Single OP, Assisted, Low Power - but I don't think it will be a contender.  I started out only looking for HI & AK stations, trying to polish off the last two for 160 Meter WAS.  But I never heard them.  I was able to nab CA, OR, WA, UT, NV, SD, ND ID, MT, NM, CO, and other hard to find western states on 160.  (Hard from Indiana, anyway.)



I haven't had time to reconfigure my Dipoles to the tower or Build the Inverted 'L' for 160/80 yet.
Perhaps for the CQWW 160 contests....?

Ken - NM9P
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Did not hear Alaska here in Virginia.  Virginia is awful for the North West area on 160. I did snag many Washington contacts which I needed for WAS 160 and got them confirmed on LOTW right after contest.  I still need the elusive ND and UT and the ever tough Alaska to secure WAS on 160.  I worked SO Assisted about 700 watts - High Power category.  Did manage 16 DX countries 8 in Europe and 2 of them new ones for me.  Only at 51 confirmed on 160 towards DXCC -  Fellow ham snagged Fiji during the contest and already LOTW confirmed.  It got very tough finding new ones towards the end.  I worked a little over 13 hours.

 Band     QSOs     Pts  Sec
   1.8         344     736   74
 Total      344     736   74
Score: 54,464
1 Mult = 4.6 Q's
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Nice, Joe!
I didn't even get CQ Skimmer running for this contest.  I might have done a little better if I had, but i hadn't had time to clear up my DAX problem before the contest.  It has been a very busy month, and the rest of December will be, too!

Perhaps by the next 160 Contest I will get the Inverted 'L' up and rebuild my shielded magnetic receive loop.  (the tuning and impedance transformer were a rush-job compromise because I didn't have the right cores when I built it.) I am contemplating buying one of the loop preamps that Lee referred to in one of his posts, but I don't really want to spend $200 at this time of the year.

As it was, i didn't  think that a QSO rate of aomit 26 over the whole 5 1/2 i operated S&P was too bad considering my low dipole and low power.  I was too tired after getting back to town on Saturday night to do anything.  A few more hours might have been pretty productive.

Ken - NM9P
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OMG Ken, that is awesome! Back at the RI qth I worked Israel on 160 and was elated for months. The 160 ant and tower in RI is featured on my qrz page. That was my only really good dx as I recall on 160.
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Steve et al

Nice to see the Flexradios in action in the ARRL 160 contest. 

I operated in the SOHP Unlimited category. My score: 

Total:QSOs 1527 Sections 82 Countries 33 Total Score 381,915

I was using a Flex Radio 6700 and had it setup to do SO2R on the same band. That worked very well. I had an RX antenna that is isolated enough that I could get within a few KHz of my TX signal. The radio is full duplex so you can listen while TXing. I did not have any overload anywhere in the band with my strong signal and full band of other strong cw signals. I used N1MM Plus in SO2R and listened in Stereo or Focus on Other Radio most of the time. I shared the same TX antenna and amplifier. I also had a prototype Maestro interface that was next to my keyboard for S&P. It was very easy to see the spot to run in the crowded band. My TX antenna is a 5 element array that uses a full size driven element and four passive T top elements (director/reflector) that can be rotated every 90 degrees. I usually used it omni except when working EU or DX stations. My main RX antenna is the HiZ Circle 8 and the diversity and second rx antenna was the SAL30. It is about 1200 feet from the TX antenna. I also have a 180 foot high dipole that I can select or combine with the vertical. It helps with closer stations as it is really a low dipole on the band.

N1MM Plus is not setup to allow same band SO2R...but it worked. I have corresponded with their team and they are considering some adaption for the Flexradios. What didn't work? You could not do direct frequency input to the entry window nor could you change bands on one slice and try to get back to 160m...it would lock you out. Everything else worked FB. 

73, Craig K9CT
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Nice set up and score Craig. I am considering an upgrade to the 6700 and good to hear that n1mm team are considering some flex specific enhancements. Good integration with contesting software is what we need. I have changed my general logging from logger 32 to commander suite for that reason. Hopefully one day n1mm plus will support the api rather than cat.
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Steve gw0gei / gw9J

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