I mentioned in a post on another thread that I had done some initial work on an API primer, mainly as a way of corralling my own learning processes as I went along. Various people have expressed an interest in this work, so I have put the current version on my Dropbox here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egw5j6u6jc32sj6/A%20Flex%206000%20API%20Primer.pdf?dl=0
I must emphasise that this document is far from complete. If it is useful then I will continue adding the other sections - you can see the outline for the missing bits.
So, budding API developers, does this help? Please let me know.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egw5j6u6jc32sj6/A%20Flex%206000%20API%20Primer.pdf?dl=0
I must emphasise that this document is far from complete. If it is useful then I will continue adding the other sections - you can see the outline for the missing bits.
So, budding API developers, does this help? Please let me know.
Posted 3 years ago
Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager
Hi Tim,
I'm happy to do so but I have no editing rights (I think I did ask a while back but nothing happened). Obviously we need to make it clear that this is not official Flex material, E&OE and so on. Do you propose just adding a link, or actually putting the document itself onto the Wiki?
Might be an idea for Eric or someone else at Flex to cast an eye over it first?
I'm happy to do so but I have no editing rights (I think I did ask a while back but nothing happened). Obviously we need to make it clear that this is not official Flex material, E&OE and so on. Do you propose just adding a link, or actually putting the document itself onto the Wiki?
Might be an idea for Eric or someone else at Flex to cast an eye over it first?
Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager
If you desire editing rights to the wiki, you have to request them. This is to prevent the wiki from being spammed.
As per the Wiki log in page...
To receive an account that allows editing of wiki articles, contact: devhelp@flexradio.com
What you are writing is exactly why we used a wiki and not a static website where FlexRadio was entirely responsible fo the content. If something needs tweaking, we want to wiki contributors to have the ability to modify and add content that helps everyone.
I'd propose sending an e-mail to devhelp and asking if they want to do a content review of your doc.
As per the Wiki log in page...
To receive an account that allows editing of wiki articles, contact: devhelp@flexradio.com
What you are writing is exactly why we used a wiki and not a static website where FlexRadio was entirely responsible fo the content. If something needs tweaking, we want to wiki contributors to have the ability to modify and add content that helps everyone.
I'd propose sending an e-mail to devhelp and asking if they want to do a content review of your doc.
Thanks Tim. I have submitted a request as you suggested.
I have added some more content and made a couple of minor corrections to the API Primer. Thanks, as always, to Eric for his invaluable input. Same place... for now:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egw5j6u6jc32sj6/A%20Flex%206000%20API%20Primer.pdf?dl=0
I'm going to stop now, for the time being at least. I think the Primer has enough information to meet its original objective: to get folks started. If you think there's other stuff that should be in there or you find errors, speeling mistooks or whatever then I'd love to hear from you.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egw5j6u6jc32sj6/A%20Flex%206000%20API%20Primer.pdf?dl=0
I'm going to stop now, for the time being at least. I think the Primer has enough information to meet its original objective: to get folks started. If you think there's other stuff that should be in there or you find errors, speeling mistooks or whatever then I'd love to hear from you.
This has made for some excellent reading and good prompting to continue working on my programming skills.
In the section, Some Useful Commands, you mention the best way to find the exact syntax for API commands. How do you actually find the API commands? Are they indexed somewhere within the files?
When the zip file is expanded it creates five folders:
* ComPortPTT
* FlexLib
* UiWpfFramework
* Util
* Vita
I assume by these names that FlexLib contains the actual library code and the rest are tools for specific functions? Within the FlexLib folder I opened FlexLib.csproj in Visual Studio. It opens a bunch of .cs files within the Solutions Explorer. To determine what commands and syntax I can send to the radio I've been going through each file looking for the use of SendCommand. For instance, I see:
SendCommand("transmit set rfpower=" + _rfPower);
To test this, I can set a slider in DXLab Commander to:
~transmit set rfpower=<E3>
and sure enough, it adjusts the RF power. So, to catalog the full API would I simply search out all SendCommand and SendReplyCommand within the files?
Seems there should be a place to go where all the radio commands are documented and annotated but maybe that's too easy.
In the section, Some Useful Commands, you mention the best way to find the exact syntax for API commands. How do you actually find the API commands? Are they indexed somewhere within the files?
When the zip file is expanded it creates five folders:
* ComPortPTT
* FlexLib
* UiWpfFramework
* Util
* Vita
I assume by these names that FlexLib contains the actual library code and the rest are tools for specific functions? Within the FlexLib folder I opened FlexLib.csproj in Visual Studio. It opens a bunch of .cs files within the Solutions Explorer. To determine what commands and syntax I can send to the radio I've been going through each file looking for the use of SendCommand. For instance, I see:
SendCommand("transmit set rfpower=" + _rfPower);
To test this, I can set a slider in DXLab Commander to:
~transmit set rfpower=<E3>
and sure enough, it adjusts the RF power. So, to catalog the full API would I simply search out all SendCommand and SendReplyCommand within the files?
Seems there should be a place to go where all the radio commands are documented and annotated but maybe that's too easy.
Yes, I'm afraid this is, indeed, too easy. There is a Wiki that holds some promise but it hasn't been updated and is very incomplete. I can understand that the Flex team have limited resources and by far the best use of those resources is to continue developing the product. What that means is the we, as the API programming community need to take more interest in the Wiki and mould it to our needs. Tim has said as much himself.
I believe that Dave AA6YQ has done some work on it and I am hoping to be able to add to it myself in due course. Meanwhile, the FlexLib code seems to be the best form of documentation available to us and that does seem to be kept up to date by Eric and his team. I have not found any catalogue yet, so the search you propose is probably the way to do it.
I am planning to produce a Windows application that will let developers enter commands and see what the responses are. I have most of the code in my controller Mk II project, just need to pull it out into a separate app. A job for the next week or two.
I believe that Dave AA6YQ has done some work on it and I am hoping to be able to add to it myself in due course. Meanwhile, the FlexLib code seems to be the best form of documentation available to us and that does seem to be kept up to date by Eric and his team. I have not found any catalogue yet, so the search you propose is probably the way to do it.
I am planning to produce a Windows application that will let developers enter commands and see what the responses are. I have most of the code in my controller Mk II project, just need to pull it out into a separate app. A job for the next week or two.
Here's a quick extract of all sendcommand and sendreplycommand parameters which I think translate into commands that can be sent to the Flex by a client. I use some of these with DXLabs Commander user defined controls. The ones marked with an asterisk send data back but I don't think Commander can use that return data. This is all raw stuff but it was a fun exercise. I might try to document these better by filling in the different parameters.
For example, ~audio client 0 slice 0 mute 0 (the tilde is required by Commander) will mute slice 0. This comes from:
"audio client 0 slice " + _index + " mute " + Convert.ToByte(value)
Is this useful?
For example, ~audio client 0 slice 0 mute 0 (the tilde is required by Commander) will mute slice 0. This comes from:
"audio client 0 slice " + _index + " mute " + Convert.ToByte(value)
Is this useful?
AudioStream.cs
"audio stream 0x" + _rxStreamId.ToString("X") + " slice " + _slice.Index + " gain " + value
"stream remove 0x" + _rxStreamId.ToString("X")
*"stream create dax=" + _daxChannel
CWX.cs
"cwx macro save " + (index + 1) + " \"" + msg + "\""
"cwx send \"" + msg + "\""
"cwx erase " + num_chars
"cwx erase " + num_chars + " " + radio_index
"cwx clear"
"cwx delay " + _delay
"cwx wpm " + _speed
*"cwx macro send " + index
*"cwx send \"" + msg + "\" " + block
*"cwx erase " + num_chars + " " + radio_index
*"cwx insert " + radio_index + " \"" + msg + "\" " + block
Equalizer.cs
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc info"
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc mode=" + _eq_enabled.ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 32Hz=" + (_level_32Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 63Hz=" + (_level_63Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 125Hz=" + (_level_125Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 250Hz=" + (_level_250Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 500Hz=" + (_level_500Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 1000Hz=" + (_level_1000Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 2000Hz=" + (_level_2000Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 4000Hz=" + (_level_4000Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc 8000Hz=" + (_level_8000Hz).ToString()
"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc info"
*"eq " + _eq_select.ToString() + "sc info"
IQStream.cs
"dax iq set " + _daxIQChannel + " rate=" + _sampleRate
"stream remove 0x" + _streamId.ToString("X")
*"stream create daxiq=" + _daxIQChannel
*"stream create daxiq=" + _daxIQChannel + "ip="+ip.ToString()+" port="+port
Memory.cs
"memory remove " + _index
"memory apply " + _index
"memory set " + _index + " owner=" + _owner.Replace(' ', '\u007f')
"memory set " + _index + " group=" + _group.Replace(' ', '\u007f')
"memory set " + _index + " freq=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_freq, "f6")
"memory set " + _index + " name=" + _name.Replace(' ', '\u007f')
"memory set " + _index + " mode=" + _mode
"memory set " + _index + " step=" + _step
"memory set " + _index + " repeater=" + FMTXOffsetDirectionToString(_offsetDirection)
"memory set " + _index + " repeater_offset=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_repeaterOffset, "f6")
"memory set " + _index + " tone_mode=" + FMToneModeToString(_toneMode)
"memory set " + _index + " tone_value=" + _toneValue
"memory set " + _index + " squelch=" + Convert.ToByte(_squelchOn)
"memory set " + _index + " squelch_level=" + _squelchLevel
"memory set " + _index + " power=" + _rfPower
"memory set " + _index + " rx_filter_low=" + _rxFilterLow
"memory set " + _index + " rx_filter_high=" + _rxFilterHigh
"memory set " + _index + " rtty_mark=" + _rttyMark
"memory set " + _index + " rtty_shift=" + _rttyShift
"memory set " + _index + " digl_offset=" + _diglOffset
"memory set " + _index + " digu_offset=" + _diguOffset
MICAudioStream.cs
"stream remove 0x" + _rxStreamId.ToString("X")
*"stream create daxmic"
NetCWStream.cs
"stream remove 0x" + _txStreamID.ToString("X")
*"stream create netcw"
OpusStream.cs
"remote_audio rx_on " + Convert.ToByte(_remoteRxOn)
"stream remove 0x" + _rxStreamId.ToString("X")
Panadapter.cs
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " wnb=" + Convert.ToByte(value)
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " wnb_level=" + _wnb_level
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " rxant=" + _rxant
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " rfgain=" + _rfGain
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " daxiq=" + _daxIQChannel
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " xpixels=" + _width
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " ypixels=" + _height
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " fps=" + value
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " average=" + value
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("x") + " weighted_average=" + Convert.ToByte(_weightedAverage)
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " loopa=" + Convert.ToByte(_loopA)
"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " loopb=" + Convert.ToByte(_loopB)
"display pan remove 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X")
"slice m " + StringHelper.DoubleToString(clicked_freq_MHz, "f6") + " pan=0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X")
*"display pan create x=" + _width + " y=" + _height
*"display pan rfgain_info 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X")
*"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " band=" + _band
*"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " center=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_centerFreq, "f6")
*"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " bandwidth=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(new_bw, "f6"
*"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " min_dbm=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_lowDbm, "f6")
*"display pan set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " max_dbm=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_highDbm, "f6")
Radio.cs
"radio set rtty_mark_default=" + _rttyMarkDefault
"transmit set show_tx_in_waterfall=" + Convert.ToByte(_showTxInWaterfall)
"radio set binaural_rx=" + Convert.ToByte(_binauralRX)
"radio set snap_tune_enabled=" + Convert.ToByte(_snapTune)
"radio filter_sharpness voice level=" + _filterSharpnessVoice
"radio filter_sharpness voice auto_level=" + Convert.ToByte(_filterSharpnessVoiceAuto)
"radio filter_sharpness cw level=" + _filterSharpnessCW
"radio filter_sharpness cw auto_level=" + Convert.ToByte(_filterSharpnessCWAuto)
"radio filter_sharpness digital level=" + _filterSharpnessDigital
"radio filter_sharpness digital auto_level=" + Convert.ToByte(_filterSharpnessDigitalAuto)
"display panafall create x=100 y=100"
"cw synccwx " + Convert.ToByte(_syncCWX)
*"client disconnect"
*"ping ms_timestamp=" + _jitterTimer.DurationMsec
*"ping"
*"radio static_net_params ip=" + _staticIP.ToString() + " gateway=" + _staticGateway.ToString() + " netmask=" + _staticNetmask.ToString()
*"radio static_net_params reset"
Slice.cs
"slice set " + _index + " active=" + Convert.ToByte(_active)
"slice set " + _index + " rxant=" + _rxant
"slice set " + _index + " rfgain=" + _rfGain
"slice set " + _index + " txant=" + _txant
"slice set " + _index + " mode=" + _demodMode
"slice unlock " + _index
"slice set " + _index + " dax=" + _daxChannel
"filt " + _index + " " + low + " " + high
"slice set " + _index + " rtty_mark=" + _rttyMark
"slice set " + _index + " rtty_shift=" + _rttyShift
"slice set " + _index + " digl_offset=" + _diglOffset
"slice set " + _index + " digu_offset=" + _diguOffset
"audio client 0 slice "+ _index + " pan " + _audioPan
"audio client 0 slice "+ _index + " gain " + _audioGain
"audio client 0 slice " + _index + " mute " + Convert.ToByte(value)
"slice set " + _index + " anf=" + Convert.ToByte(value)
"slice set " + _index + " apf=" + Convert.ToByte(value)
"slice set " + _index + " anf_level=" + _anf_level
"slice set " + _index + " apf_level=" + _apf_level
"slice set " + _index + " diversity=" + Convert.ToByte(value)
"slice set " + _index + " wnb=" + Convert.ToByte(value)
"slice set " + _index + " nb=" + Convert.ToByte(value)
"slice set " + _index + " wnb_level=" + _wnb_level
"slice set " + _index + " nb_level=" + _nb_level
"slice set " + _index + " nr=" + Convert.ToByte(_nr_on)
"slice set " + _index + " nr_level=" + _nr_level
"slice set " + _index + " agc_mode=" + AGCModeToString(_agc_mode)
"slice set " + _index + " agc_threshold=" + _agc_threshold
"slice set " + _index + " agc_off_level=" + _agc_off_level
"slice set " + _index + " tx=" + Convert.ToByte(_transmit)
"slice set " + _index + " loopa=" + Convert.ToByte(_loopA)
"slice set " + _index + " loopb=" + Convert.ToByte(_loopB)
"slice set " + _index + " rit_on=" + Convert.ToByte(_ritOn)
"slice set " + _index + " rit_freq=" + _ritFreq
"slice set " + _index + " xit_on=" + Convert.ToByte(_xitOn)
"slice set " + _index + " xit_freq=" + _xitFreq
"slice set " + _index + " step=" + _tuneStep
"slice set " + _index + "step_list=" ...
"slice set " + _index + " record=" + Convert.ToByte(_record_on)
"slice set " + _index + " play=" + Convert.ToByte(_playOn)
"slice remove " + _index
"slice waveform_cmd " + _index + " " + s
*"slice create pan=0x" + _panadapter.StreamID.ToString("X")
*"slice create freq=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_freq, "f6")
*"slice create rxant=" + _rxant
*"slice create mode=" + _demodMode
*"slice create pan=0x" + _panadapter.StreamID.ToString("X") + " load_from=PERSISTENCE"
*"slice create freq=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_freq, "f6") + " load_from=PERSISTENCE"
*"slice create rxant=" + _rxant + " load_from=PERSISTENCE"
*"slice create mode=" + _demodMode + " load_from=PERSISTENCE"
*"slice tune " + _index + " " + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_freq, "f6") +" autopan=0"
TNF.cs
"tnf set " + _id + " freq=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_frequency, "f6")
"tnf set " + _id + " depth=" + _depth
"tnf set " + _id + " permanent=" + _permanent
"tnf set " + _id + " width=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_bandwidth, "f6")
"tnf remove " + _id
TXAudioStream.cs
"stream remove 0x" + _txStreamID.ToString("X")
*"stream create daxtx"
Waterfall.cs
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " rxant=" + _rxant
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " rfgain=" + _rfGain
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " daxiq=" + _daxIQChannel
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " fps=" + value
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " average=" + value
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("x") + " weighted_average=" + Convert.ToByte(_weightedAverage)
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " loopa=" + Convert.ToByte(_loopA)
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " loopb=" + Convert.ToByte(_loopB)
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " line_duration=" + _fallLineDurationMs.ToString()
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " black_level=" + _fallBlackLevel.ToString()
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " color_gain=" + _fallColorGain.ToString()
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " auto_black=" + Convert.ToByte(_autoBlackLevelEnable)
"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " gradient_index=" + _fallGradientIndex.ToString()
"display panafall remove 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X")
*"display panafall create x=" + _width + " y=" + _height
*"display panafall rfgain_info 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X")
*"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " band=" + _band
*"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " min_dbm=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_lowDbm, "f6")
*"display panafall set 0x" + _stream_id.ToString("X") + " max_dbm=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_highDbm, "f6"
Xvtr.cs
"xvtr remove " + _index
"xvtr set " + _index + " order=" + _order
"xvtr set " + _index + " name=" + _name
"xvtr set " + _index + " rf_freq=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_rfFreq, "f6")
"xvtr set " + _index + " if_freq=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_ifFreq, "f6")
"xvtr set " + _index + " lo_error=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_loError, "f6")
"xvtr set " + _index + " rx_gain=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_rxGain, "f2")
"xvtr set " + _index + " rx_only=" + Convert.ToByte(_rxOnly)
"xvtr set " + _index + " max_power=" + StringHelper.DoubleToString(_maxPower, "f2")
*"xvtr create"Thanks for this Kevin. That sure is a lot of commands!
Kevin & John,
I've taken Kevin's list and my own very similar list and tried to understand the sequence and response from the Radio for these commands. I'm continuing to work on it (there are a lot of commands!). I've used my API Tester app (see posting below) to investigate all of this.
Here's a link to dropbox folder containing a spreadsheet (Excel). It has three sheets, the first shows the commands and the responses they generate. I've tried to "name" the responses and you can see the "named" responses listed on the second sheet. The third sheet is a list of all of the Error Codes I've seen so far and an attempt at an explanation for each one.
There are a lot more commands to be added but I'd appreciate any comments. I'm working on a full-fledged GUI client and understanding the sequence/response of the commands is critical to make it work.
There seems to be a difference in the responses to a GUI vs a non-GUI client. I'm not sure I fully understand that at this point. This list, so far, is from the perspective of my non-GUI client (running on my Mac) while the GUI client (SmartSDR) is running on my Windows computer.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vyl91c7f85potnt/AACWSiEy_M4XDuvVFaG705Yza?dl=0
I've taken Kevin's list and my own very similar list and tried to understand the sequence and response from the Radio for these commands. I'm continuing to work on it (there are a lot of commands!). I've used my API Tester app (see posting below) to investigate all of this.
Here's a link to dropbox folder containing a spreadsheet (Excel). It has three sheets, the first shows the commands and the responses they generate. I've tried to "name" the responses and you can see the "named" responses listed on the second sheet. The third sheet is a list of all of the Error Codes I've seen so far and an attempt at an explanation for each one.
There are a lot more commands to be added but I'd appreciate any comments. I'm working on a full-fledged GUI client and understanding the sequence/response of the commands is critical to make it work.
There seems to be a difference in the responses to a GUI vs a non-GUI client. I'm not sure I fully understand that at this point. This list, so far, is from the perspective of my non-GUI client (running on my Mac) while the GUI client (SmartSDR) is running on my Windows computer.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vyl91c7f85potnt/AACWSiEy_M4XDuvVFaG705Yza?dl=0
Very nice work. I'm still just learning C# on Visual Studio so have not gotten as far as creating my own API tester. Is calling the API from different languages that much different? Trying to catch up!
Will this information be posted to the wiki?
73,
Kev K4VD
Will this information be posted to the wiki?
73,
Kev K4VD
Kevin,
I only have a reading knowledge of C#, I know enough to look through the FlexAPI code and understand roughly what's happening. Learning any language / development environment is a lengthy process. I've been focused on the Mac (Xcode and Swift).
I think the concepts are identical but of course the devil is in the details. In my case (the source is on GitHub) I used a well know open source library (on the Mac) to do the heavy lifting for TCP and UDP handling. If you look at my code there are only a few dozens of lines of code that I had to write.
Everything I'll publish is certainly free to be used in any way. I'm not exactly sure how something gets included in the Wiki.
I only have a reading knowledge of C#, I know enough to look through the FlexAPI code and understand roughly what's happening. Learning any language / development environment is a lengthy process. I've been focused on the Mac (Xcode and Swift).
I think the concepts are identical but of course the devil is in the details. In my case (the source is on GitHub) I used a well know open source library (on the Mac) to do the heavy lifting for TCP and UDP handling. If you look at my code there are only a few dozens of lines of code that I had to write.
Everything I'll publish is certainly free to be used in any way. I'm not exactly sure how something gets included in the Wiki.
Eric at FlexRadio has reviewed my API primer and made a number of valuable suggestions for improvements that I have now incorporated into the document. Version 1.002 is available here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocr5wwtxzcq9a9k/A%20Flex%206000%20API%20Primer%20V1-002.pdf?dl=0
Many thanks, Eric!
Edit: I've also added a link to the FlexRadio Wiki
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocr5wwtxzcq9a9k/A%20Flex%206000%20API%20Primer%20V1-002.pdf?dl=0
Many thanks, Eric!
Edit: I've also added a link to the FlexRadio Wiki
(Edited)
"It is perhaps unreasonable to expect FlexRadio to maintain this when it should be using its resources on developing products. I would argue that it is up to the API programming community to put some
effort into providing the documentation it needs."
Not sure I fully agree with this or maybe I'm not appreciating the intention of the statement. The API comes from Flex and the maintainer of the API should document their work. Being an API intended for others to interface with the Flex radio the source of the API should also be the major contributor to API documentation. This shows a commitment to the API and, potentially, a clue to the API's stability so that others can feel confident developing new products using this API. Look at the Google Chrome extension ecosystem. None of it would be possible without active maintenance and contribution from the core Google Chrome development team.
I suggest official and maintained documentation is at least as important as pushing out new features. I also believe that if Flex courts third party developers (professional and maker) with a well documented API both Flex and its customers will benefit.
effort into providing the documentation it needs."
Not sure I fully agree with this or maybe I'm not appreciating the intention of the statement. The API comes from Flex and the maintainer of the API should document their work. Being an API intended for others to interface with the Flex radio the source of the API should also be the major contributor to API documentation. This shows a commitment to the API and, potentially, a clue to the API's stability so that others can feel confident developing new products using this API. Look at the Google Chrome extension ecosystem. None of it would be possible without active maintenance and contribution from the core Google Chrome development team.
I suggest official and maintained documentation is at least as important as pushing out new features. I also believe that if Flex courts third party developers (professional and maker) with a well documented API both Flex and its customers will benefit.
This is a great idea, I wish I had this document when I started trying to write code to talk to my Flex (6500). Having spent a good deal of time trying to puzzle out the kind of things in your document, I can appreciate how difficult this information is to come by. I'll make a point to read through and offer up any information I may have gleaned that isn't already in the document.
One area that continues to puzzle me is the error message code that sometimes comes in a command reply (see page 13 of your document). An example is as follows:
I send -->c1|client program|myProgramName<--
I and receive back -->r1|10000002|unknown client program<--
I understand the text but how do I parse the 10000002 to make sense of it?
Similarly I send -->c2|client gui<--
And I receive back -->r2|50001000
What does 50001000 mean?
Please keep up the great work. Let the rest of us know how we can contribute.
73's Doug, K3TZR
One area that continues to puzzle me is the error message code that sometimes comes in a command reply (see page 13 of your document). An example is as follows:
I send -->c1|client program|myProgramName<--
I and receive back -->r1|10000002|unknown client program<--
I understand the text but how do I parse the 10000002 to make sense of it?
Similarly I send -->c2|client gui<--
And I receive back -->r2|50001000
What does 50001000 mean?
Please keep up the great work. Let the rest of us know how we can contribute.
73's Doug, K3TZR
Some of this information you can find on the wiki at <http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=TCP/IP_client>. Unfortunately not all the return codes are provided.
Thanks Kevin, I had looked there a long time ago, apparently it has been updated a bit. One of the things the "Message Format" says is that bit 24-25 are the severity.
If I look at the 500001000 reply, that would be 0x1dcd68e8 which would make bits 24-25 (assuming counting from lsb) 0x01 meaning "Warning", but there isn't much explanation other than that.
Also the 10000002 reply (0x989682) has bits 24-25 as 0x00 which would be "Informational", that makes sense but I still don't know what the other bits represent.
Maybe we can persuade Flex to do an API technical presentation at one of the hamfests (Dayton?).
If I look at the 500001000 reply, that would be 0x1dcd68e8 which would make bits 24-25 (assuming counting from lsb) 0x01 meaning "Warning", but there isn't much explanation other than that.
Also the 10000002 reply (0x989682) has bits 24-25 as 0x00 which would be "Informational", that makes sense but I still don't know what the other bits represent.
Maybe we can persuade Flex to do an API technical presentation at one of the hamfests (Dayton?).
It turns out that I had a bug in my code logging the replies to commands. Now that I've corrected that I still see two commands that generate non-zero replies:
"client gui" sends back r1|10000002|unknown client program
"sub tnf all" sends back r16|50001000
From the guidance on the wiki I've figured out/guessed that the reply values are actually hex strings. Treating them that way, these both will have bits 24-25 as zero and are therefore "informational". The significance of the rest of the bits is still unknown to me. The wiki also says that a reply with the leftmost digit a one is "informational".
"client gui" sends back r1|10000002|unknown client program
"sub tnf all" sends back r16|50001000
From the guidance on the wiki I've figured out/guessed that the reply values are actually hex strings. Treating them that way, these both will have bits 24-25 as zero and are therefore "informational". The significance of the rest of the bits is still unknown to me. The wiki also says that a reply with the leftmost digit a one is "informational".
Steve - N5AC, VP Engineering / CTO
You should be able to place a "D" before your command to enable debugging and get a more detailed answer. For example "DC1|client gui". In this particular case, 0x50001000 is SL_RESP_UNKNOWN which means that the command code that processed this command did not respond with a valid response. It essentially means that you are in limbo because neither a success nor an error were passed back to the command processor. I generally would like to know when you see these so we can go fix the code that produces an error like this.
The CD1| should give you an answer like "Command result unknown"
The CD1| should give you an answer like "Command result unknown"
Steve, thanks for the reply. Please note that my first description of the issue contains errors, only my second posting is correct.
The "C1|client gui" command sends back "r1|10000002|unknown client program" even without a "D" in the command.
The "C16|sub tnf all" command sends back "r16|50001000" whether I send a "CD16" or "C16" (I tried both upper and lower case, it doesn't seem to matter).
In fact there are no TNF's on the radio at the time I send the command but I wouldn't expect that to cause a non-zero response value for a "sub tnf all" command.
It would be helpful if there were some list of error codes and/or some explanation for how to parse the codes.
Thanks again for your help.
The "C1|client gui" command sends back "r1|10000002|unknown client program" even without a "D" in the command.
The "C16|sub tnf all" command sends back "r16|50001000" whether I send a "CD16" or "C16" (I tried both upper and lower case, it doesn't seem to matter).
In fact there are no TNF's on the radio at the time I send the command but I wouldn't expect that to cause a non-zero response value for a "sub tnf all" command.
It would be helpful if there were some list of error codes and/or some explanation for how to parse the codes.
Thanks again for your help.
Steve - N5AC, VP Engineering / CTO
OK very good thanks for more info. I think if you retry the command you will see that can only get a successful response from "client gui". This command cannot respond with the error you are listing. Client GUI tells the radio that your client will be the only gui client and should be sent all displays. I have added the client gui command to the wiki here:
http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=TCP/IP_client
This page does have the error you mention (unknown client program) but it is a response to the client program command. As it notes at the bottom, this is not an error (hence the 1 at the start of the hex value), it is informational and states that the radio has no prior knowledge nor info about your program. Some programs have specific behaviors programmed in the radio.
I've added the C defines file for the constants used in the SmartSDR API here:
http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=Known_API_Responses
http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=TCP/IP_client
This page does have the error you mention (unknown client program) but it is a response to the client program command. As it notes at the bottom, this is not an error (hence the 1 at the start of the hex value), it is informational and states that the radio has no prior knowledge nor info about your program. Some programs have specific behaviors programmed in the radio.
I've added the C defines file for the constants used in the SmartSDR API here:
http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=Known_API_Responses
Steve - N5AC, VP Engineering / CTO
Also you "sub tnf" question sparked my interest so I went and looked -- the TNF status messages are delivered on object_radio which means that you have to subscribe to the radio, not TNFs. I'm not certain why there is not a separate TNF subscription from the radio subscription off the top of my head, but this is how it is currently implemented.
Thanks for the update, I removed "sub tnf all" and replaced it with "sub radio all"; no errors were reported back on that command.
I don't have TNF's fully implemented yet so I'm not sure whether I'm receiving the TNF data as a result of this subscription. I should know in a few days.
I don't have TNF's fully implemented yet so I'm not sure whether I'm receiving the TNF data as a result of this subscription. I should know in a few days.
Re " I can understand that the Flex team have limited resources and by far the best use of those resources is to continue developing the product."
An ecosystem populated by attractive complementary products requires a functional, well-documented API. Such ecosystems can be powerful differentiators and force multipliers, attracting the innovation and productivity of many more developers than the core team can afford to pay or orchestrate. A thriving ecosystem can also provide a steady stream of acquisition candidates.
The Flex API Wiki is usable, but full of gaps; while Flex personnel have been very responsive to questions created by those gaps, comprehensive descriptions of all functions and illustrative examples are needed to attract broad interest from the amateur developer community.
An ecosystem populated by attractive complementary products requires a functional, well-documented API. Such ecosystems can be powerful differentiators and force multipliers, attracting the innovation and productivity of many more developers than the core team can afford to pay or orchestrate. A thriving ecosystem can also provide a steady stream of acquisition candidates.
The Flex API Wiki is usable, but full of gaps; while Flex personnel have been very responsive to questions created by those gaps, comprehensive descriptions of all functions and illustrative examples are needed to attract broad interest from the amateur developer community.
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Hi Dave, long time no see!
I entirely agree with you. In an ideal world the API would be fully documented and we wouldn't have to delve into the FlexLib API code. I know you've done a lot of work on the Wiki, which is great. I found it hard work finding enough information to get started, so my primer is an attempt to help others at that early stage. A bit of self help from within the community is no bad thing.
I entirely agree with you. In an ideal world the API would be fully documented and we wouldn't have to delve into the FlexLib API code. I know you've done a lot of work on the Wiki, which is great. I found it hard work finding enough information to get started, so my primer is an attempt to help others at that early stage. A bit of self help from within the community is no bad thing.
As John (G3WGV) mentions in his API Primer, once you get started working on any sort of Flex Radio Client, you'll need to be able to explore the FlexAPI. A good way to do that is, as John also suggests, to build a small program to experiment with API comments. I've taken his advice and built such a program for use on a Mac. If anyone is interested, I can put the source code on Dropbox and/or GitHub. With a little work, I can also create a DMG.
Here's a snapshot of the program taken just after I pressed the connect button showing the replies from the Radio as a result of establishing a TCP connection to it.
and here after sending it an "info" command (sent commands in green, replies in red):
Here's a snapshot of the program taken just after I pressed the connect button showing the replies from the Radio as a result of establishing a TCP connection to it.
and here after sending it an "info" command (sent commands in green, replies in red):
Hi Doug,
That's an excellent piece of work, well done!
I have been working on a very similar program for Windows and am also willing to make both the source code and the executable available if people are interested. The code is written in Delphi XE7, using the INDY 10.6 internet component suite.
Underlying the test harness application is my Flex API helper code, which is now nearly fully developed. This code provides broadly the same "middleware" capabilities as the FlexLib API but in a Delphi XE environment. This code is also available to anyone who might want it.
Here's a screen shot just after connection & slice subscription.
That's an excellent piece of work, well done!
I have been working on a very similar program for Windows and am also willing to make both the source code and the executable available if people are interested. The code is written in Delphi XE7, using the INDY 10.6 internet component suite.
Underlying the test harness application is my Flex API helper code, which is now nearly fully developed. This code provides broadly the same "middleware" capabilities as the FlexLib API but in a Delphi XE environment. This code is also available to anyone who might want it.
Here's a screen shot just after connection & slice subscription.
Hi Doug,
Nice work on the API. I'm developing an interface in Mathematica, which is not ideal for real-time ethernet processing (but is wonderful for processing data). Your spreadsheet has been invaluable in this process (as is John's Primer). I've been exploring the API using Terminal on my mac but that is a tedious process.
It would be great if you could put up the executable of your swift program. Its been a long time since I've used Xcode and I've only been lightly following swift (too many languages in the world!) so it would take me a while to get it going from your GitHub source. If its not too much trouble to put up an executable that would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike - AB1LD
Nice work on the API. I'm developing an interface in Mathematica, which is not ideal for real-time ethernet processing (but is wonderful for processing data). Your spreadsheet has been invaluable in this process (as is John's Primer). I've been exploring the API using Terminal on my mac but that is a tedious process.
It would be great if you could put up the executable of your swift program. Its been a long time since I've used Xcode and I've only been lightly following swift (too many languages in the world!) so it would take me a while to get it going from your GitHub source. If its not too much trouble to put up an executable that would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike - AB1LD
Mike,
I just put an executable into the Dropbox folder. I'm not very familiar with the process so please let me know if it works (it should).
73's Doug
I just put an executable into the Dropbox folder. I'm not very familiar with the process so please let me know if it works (it should).
73's Doug
Doug,
Thank you. I got it up and running with no problems (after updating Xcode and getting the correct IP address.)
This will make things easier.
Mike - AB1LD
Thank you. I got it up and running with no problems (after updating Xcode and getting the correct IP address.)
This will make things easier.
Mike - AB1LD
Mike,
There is a new FlexAPITester on GitHub and a new executable in the DropBox folder. This version fixes some bugs and adds the ability to listen to Flex Discovery broadcasts (See the ReadMe on GitHub).
There's also a new app at both location called FlexBroadcaster, it generates Discovery broadcasts to simulate having multiple radios.
73's Doug
There is a new FlexAPITester on GitHub and a new executable in the DropBox folder. This version fixes some bugs and adds the ability to listen to Flex Discovery broadcasts (See the ReadMe on GitHub).
There's also a new app at both location called FlexBroadcaster, it generates Discovery broadcasts to simulate having multiple radios.
73's Doug
Thanks Doug, I'll check it out. I don't know if the new version fixes it or not, but the old FlexAPITester doesn't like DaxIQ packets - says they are invalid. I'm struggling now trying to decode those, after grabbing them with some python.
Mike
Mike
That's interesting. The code doesn't really do anything with UDP packets. It receives them and restarts a timer. If the timer expires, the little green button on the lower right should turn red.
It must be that it doesn't properly decode the the Vita packet. Here's the applicable code:
if let vitaPacket = _vita.decode(packet: data) {
I think you're seeing the message at the bottom (the last else) which means the decoder doesn't think the packets are valid (the decoder failed to decode them). I'm not using DaxIQ so may have missed something. Send me a sample if you can (douglas.adams@me.com), I'll try to fix it.
If you look at the Vita.swift file on GitHub, that's where I decode the packets. it might help you with your Python or you might see my mistake.
It must be that it doesn't properly decode the the Vita packet. Here's the applicable code:
if let vitaPacket = _vita.decode(packet: data) {
// restart the timer
_streamTimer.scheduleRepeating(deadline: DispatchTime.now(), interval: .seconds(1), leeway: .milliseconds(100)) // Every second +/- 10%
// set the event handler
_streamTimer.setEventHandler { [ unowned self] in
// timer fired, UDP stream timed out
self._delegate.udpStream(active: false)
}
// TODO: Packet statistics - received, dropped
switch vitaPacket.type {
case .ifData, .ifDataWithStream, .extData, .ifContext, .extContext:
_delegate.udpError("Unexpected packetType - \(vitaPacket.type.rawValue)")
case .extDataWithStream:
// Stream of data - figure out what type and call the dispatcher
switch (vitaPacket.classCode) {
case .daxAudio:
// FIXME: Class Code not in use
break
case .daxIq24:
// FIXME: Class Code not in use
break
case .daxIq48:
// FIXME: Class Code not in use
break
case .daxIq96:
// FIXME: Class Code not in use
break
case .daxIq192:
// FIXME: Class Code not in use
break
case .discovery:
// FIXME: Class Code not in use
break
case .meter:
// pass the data to the Radio's meter stream handler (there is only one)
// _radio?.meterStreamHandler(vitaPacket)
break
case .opus:
// pass the data to the Opus stream handler (there is only one)
// _radio?.opus.streamHandler(vitaPacket)
break
case .panadapter:
// pass the data to the specified (by Id) Panafall's stream handler
// _radio?.panafalls[vitaPacket.streamId]?.streamHandler(vitaPacket)
break
case .waterfall:
// pass the data to the specified (by Id) Waterfall's stream handler
// _radio?.waterfalls[vitaPacket.streamId]?.streamHandler(vitaPacket)
break
}
}
} else {
_delegate.udpError("Invalid packet received")
}
I think you're seeing the message at the bottom (the last else) which means the decoder doesn't think the packets are valid (the decoder failed to decode them). I'm not using DaxIQ so may have missed something. Send me a sample if you can (douglas.adams@me.com), I'll try to fix it.
If you look at the Vita.swift file on GitHub, that's where I decode the packets. it might help you with your Python or you might see my mistake.
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Mike,
Do you have a layout for the Vita packets containing DaxIq? I haven't been able to find one.
Do you have a layout for the Vita packets containing DaxIq? I haven't been able to find one.
I'll take a look at it, though it may be this weekend before I get to it.
For the IQ format, I look at the flexlib routines (though I'm not very familiar with C# so its a laborious process). My python program does the header decoding and separates out the payload. The IQ packets go through this process ok - its common to all the vita streams. Its the interpretation of the 32 bit data words that I'm working on. Currently I dump everything in the UDP streams to a .json file that I then use for analysis. I'll send you one of the json files (or maybe just a sample considering email size limits) if that helps any. I can also send you wireshark captures if you'd like, but I presume you can get those yourself.
I can grab the IQ packets OK, and decode the header data, etc. The payload data is specified to be in 32 bit IEEE float format but, reading from wireshark captures, the float data doesn't really make sense. I swapped the endian-ness in the python float conversion and the data then makes more sense - like having both positive and negative values and with a physical range of values (though more restricted than I expect), but still doesn't look like I expect a waveform to look. There's also a DC offset to one of the two channels. Not sure what the issue is - since I'm not totally sure I even have the daxIQ stream set up properly.
I'll continue to stumble around. Let me know if there is anything more I can do to help you out. The python UDP decoding was actually written by a colleague and he has a GitHub entry for it. I’ll check with him and if its OK post the link for others to use. I’ve made some of my own modifications to it and if I figure out GitHub I could post those also. His code actually follows the organization of the flexlib code pretty closely, and I suspect the same would be true in swift, so it might not be very hard to get it working if you want to.
I just learned that Microsoft now has a Visual Studio for the Mac that does .NET and C#. I downloaded that last night and can actually get the flexlib code into it, though haven't got to the actual running of it yet. If I can get enough of it going I can compare my decoding to the gold standard. It turns out Mathematica (the main language I program in) has a very good .NET interface, so maybe I can go that route instead of the python capture. Too little time!
Mike,
I'm assuming that the DaxIQ data is in a Vita packet with a packet.type of:
extDataWithStream = 0x03
and a class.code of:
daxIq24 = 0x00e3 or
I'm assuming that the DaxIQ data is in a Vita packet with a packet.type of:
extDataWithStream = 0x03
and a class.code of:
daxIq24 = 0x00e3 or
daxIq48 = 0x00e4 or
daxIq96 = 0x00e5 or
daxIq192 = 0x00e6
I that isn't true, that could explain why I can't decode them.
Here's a screen capture from a copy of the Vita standard:
Again, if this isn't correct, that explains it. There is also a lot of manipulation of the fields regarding "endian-ness". I think it's pretty clear in my Vita.swift file where the endianness is being adjusted. One or more of those may be incorrect.
Here's an example of the manipulation of the data in the "payload" of a Panadapter stream:
// get a pointer to the data in the payload
if let binsPtr = vitaPacket.payload?.advanced(by: kByteOffsetToBins).bindMemory(to: UInt16.self, capacity: dataFrame.numberOfBins) {
// Swap the byte ordering of the data & place it in the dataFrame bins
for i in 0..<dataFrame.numberOfBins {
dataFrame.bins[i] = CFSwapInt16BigToHost( binsPtr.advanced(by: i).pointee )
}
}
It's in Swift but I think the intent is fairly clear.The data is Unsigned 16 bit integers in Big Endian form. I would expect the DaxIQ frames to look similar(?). Since the IQ data may be +/- I'm guessing that it needs to be divided by some constant (the constant being the zero point).I also looked at Xamarin (now part of Visual Studio). I asked Flex why they didn't consider using it. At the time, a year or two ago, there was a very large licensing fee for businesses using it but that may not apply to people like us (i.e. non-commercial usage) or maybe it has changed now that Microsoft bought the company.
Mike,
I just tried to setup DaxIq to the FlexAPITester. For some reason I'm not seeing the packets (and the error you describe). Can you tell me exactly the steps you go through to get to the point where you see the error? If you can and if I can recreate I may learn something and be able to fix the error.
Thanks,
Doug
I just tried to setup DaxIq to the FlexAPITester. For some reason I'm not seeing the packets (and the error you describe). Can you tell me exactly the steps you go through to get to the point where you see the error? If you can and if I can recreate I may learn something and be able to fix the error.
Thanks,
Doug
Hi Doug,
The exact commands I send to start the IQ stream in FlexAPITester after connecting are:
sub pan all
display panafall create x=1024 y=700
display panafall set 0x40000000 center=1.00 autocenter=0 bandwidth=0.1
sub daxiq all
stream create daxiq=1
dax iq set 1 pan=0x40000000 rate=24000
and immediately start getting the error:
---- UDP Error, Invalid packet received ---
I don't have a deep understanding of the details of the commands above, and they might not all be necessary or even correct, but it does start an IQ stream that I can capture with the python program and at least superficially has the right information in it.
I'll take a look at the swift code, my python code and the flexapi code and see if I can reconcile them, but that will take a little while.
Mike
The exact commands I send to start the IQ stream in FlexAPITester after connecting are:
sub pan all
display panafall create x=1024 y=700
display panafall set 0x40000000 center=1.00 autocenter=0 bandwidth=0.1
sub daxiq all
stream create daxiq=1
dax iq set 1 pan=0x40000000 rate=24000
and immediately start getting the error:
---- UDP Error, Invalid packet received ---
I don't have a deep understanding of the details of the commands above, and they might not all be necessary or even correct, but it does start an IQ stream that I can capture with the python program and at least superficially has the right information in it.
I'll take a look at the swift code, my python code and the flexapi code and see if I can reconcile them, but that will take a little while.
Mike
Doug,
The class IDs that I check for are 0x02e3, 0x02e4, 0x02e5 and 0x02e6.
Its always possible that you may have picked off the "2" in how you access the data. The python program I use does some fancy bit selection when its checking packet information.
Mike
The class IDs that I check for are 0x02e3, 0x02e4, 0x02e5 and 0x02e6.
Its always possible that you may have picked off the "2" in how you access the data. The python program I use does some fancy bit selection when its checking packet information.
Mike
You're absolutely correct, I'm looking at it now and it seems that I'm expecting 0x00e3 but getting 0x02e3 for the packet class code for daxiq24. Do you know which is correct. Sometime (in the murky past) I put together the enum for packet class code and have the value 0x00e3. Here's a list of the enum:
case meter = 0x8002
case meter = 0x8002
case panadapter = 0x8003
case waterfall = 0x8004
case opus = 0x8005
case daxIq24 = 0x00e3
case daxIq48 = 0x00e4
case daxIq96 = 0x00e5
case daxIq192 = 0x00e6
case daxAudio = 0x03e3
case discovery = 0xffff
I know that meter, panadapter, waterfall and opus are correct because I have them all working.OK, I changed the packet class codes to have the "2".
Are the daxIq packets class type IFDataWithStream?, I had assumed (bad idea) that they were ExtDataWithSTream.
Are the daxIq packets class type IFDataWithStream?, I had assumed (bad idea) that they were ExtDataWithSTream.
To answer my own question, I think they are IfDataWithStream.
I'll make the appropriate changes and put out a new source and executable in a few hours after I do some more checking.
BTW, I think I'll also make the SEND button clear the Command field (after the command is sent), it seems tedious to have to clear it manually each time.
Thanks very much for your help in correcting my mistakes. One of the big benefits of sharing the code / app is feedback like this.
I'll make the appropriate changes and put out a new source and executable in a few hours after I do some more checking.
BTW, I think I'll also make the SEND button clear the Command field (after the command is sent), it seems tedious to have to clear it manually each time.
Thanks very much for your help in correcting my mistakes. One of the big benefits of sharing the code / app is feedback like this.
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Delighted to make my contribution. I'll be putting up my code in the near future.
John:
In the API document you show the following table for scaling meter readings:
I captured SWR, forward and reflected power via the API. It looks like SWR has no scaling. For forward and reflected power I had to use this formula found in the Gary's fqapsac code that seems to return the correct result:
double myData = Math.Pow(10.0, (data / 10)) / 1000;
With RF Power set to 5 I got the following readings:
forward power: 36.45313 translates to 4.4 watts
reflected power: 18.70313 translates to 0.074 watts
SWR: 1.210938 calculated from above it's 1.3:1
Could the reason for the difference in scaling be where we are getting our data from? I'm using flexlib which might be doing some scaling already. I need to check that.
I finally figured out how to discover, connect and collect some data with the help of Mark WS7M and his videos. The conversion above came from Gary Robinson's fqapsac code along with a whole buch of other neat stuff. After a night's work I have a little hello world app that presents froward and reflected power and swr. Radio was set to 36 on the RF Power slider.
There's definitely a whole lot more to this stuff than I expected. I think I learned 12 new terms today and only had to unlearn 5 I thought I knew. Not a bad day.
73,
Kev K4VD
In the API document you show the following table for scaling meter readings:
I captured SWR, forward and reflected power via the API. It looks like SWR has no scaling. For forward and reflected power I had to use this formula found in the Gary's fqapsac code that seems to return the correct result:
double myData = Math.Pow(10.0, (data / 10)) / 1000;
With RF Power set to 5 I got the following readings:
forward power: 36.45313 translates to 4.4 watts
reflected power: 18.70313 translates to 0.074 watts
SWR: 1.210938 calculated from above it's 1.3:1
Could the reason for the difference in scaling be where we are getting our data from? I'm using flexlib which might be doing some scaling already. I need to check that.
I finally figured out how to discover, connect and collect some data with the help of Mark WS7M and his videos. The conversion above came from Gary Robinson's fqapsac code along with a whole buch of other neat stuff. After a night's work I have a little hello world app that presents froward and reflected power and swr. Radio was set to 36 on the RF Power slider.
There's definitely a whole lot more to this stuff than I expected. I think I learned 12 new terms today and only had to unlearn 5 I thought I knew. Not a bad day.
73,
Kev K4VD
Kev
Ok, you've leapfrogged right past me. Thanks for the hints about where to look next. You can expect email.
I need a good day, too!
Ok, you've leapfrogged right past me. Thanks for the hints about where to look next. You can expect email.
I need a good day, too! 73, Jay - NO5J
Hi Kev,
Yes, FlexLib does the scaling for you, see Meter.cs around line 152:
There is also a reference to this in the Wiki. I notice that the page has been changed recently to show the volts/amps scaling factor as 256 but as far as I can see that is wrong. I am investigating. As a general principle, FlexLib is the definitive documentation for the API.
73, John, G3WGV
Yes, FlexLib does the scaling for you, see Meter.cs around line 152:
public void UpdateValue(short new_raw_value)If the raw data had no scaling then you could only represent integer numbers. I guess the scaling was set to maximise the accuracy that could be obtained with the 16 bit signed integer.
{
_raw_value = new_raw_value;
switch (_units)
{
case MeterUnits.Dbm:
case MeterUnits.Dbfs:
case MeterUnits.SWR:
_value = _raw_value / 128.0f;
break;
case MeterUnits.Volts:
case MeterUnits.Amps:
_value = _raw_value / 1024.0f;
break;
case MeterUnits.Degrees:
_value = _raw_value / 64.0f;
break;
}
OnDataReady(this, _value);
}
There is also a reference to this in the Wiki. I notice that the page has been changed recently to show the volts/amps scaling factor as 256 but as far as I can see that is wrong. I am investigating. As a general principle, FlexLib is the definitive documentation for the API.
73, John, G3WGV
(Edited)
Excellent John... I was planning to look into the library today to try and find this. Thanks for saving me the time.
So, just to put things into perspective for me, a lot of your document discusses the inner workings of flexlib and maybe even how to do things directly while the approach I'm taking actually uses flexlib to do all the heavy lifting. Does this sound right?
For example, in your document you provide some details on discovery, connection, streaming data, subscriptions, etc.
But, if using flexlib, this all boils down to setting up some event handlers and doing an API.Init(). From there, the radio is basically discovered when it becomes available on the network. Then a Connect() seems to take care of all the details by doing the work of connection, subscriptions and capturing streamed data.
Full disclosure... this is my first time doing anything in a programming language beyond "hello world" so my understanding may still be way off.
Kev
So, just to put things into perspective for me, a lot of your document discusses the inner workings of flexlib and maybe even how to do things directly while the approach I'm taking actually uses flexlib to do all the heavy lifting. Does this sound right?
For example, in your document you provide some details on discovery, connection, streaming data, subscriptions, etc.
But, if using flexlib, this all boils down to setting up some event handlers and doing an API.Init(). From there, the radio is basically discovered when it becomes available on the network. Then a Connect() seems to take care of all the details by doing the work of connection, subscriptions and capturing streamed data.
Full disclosure... this is my first time doing anything in a programming language beyond "hello world" so my understanding may still be way off.
Kev
Hi Kev,
Not quite. My primer is on the radio API itself. FlexLib is a structured interface between the API and an application. It handles many of the details of the API, on behalf of the application, making the application much simpler to code. Doing the scaling to correctly represent meter values as a floating point value is but one example. The API.Init() and Connect() functions you mention are similar examples - there is quite a lot involved at an API level in that Connect() function!
For no other reason than that I wanted to, I have, in effect, written my own FlexLib. That meant I had to grapple with the raw API and it was from that epic struggle that my API primer emerged :-)
Good luck with your programming. It can be extremely rewarding and outrageously frustrating in equal measure but there is something very satisfying in using code that you wrote to make QSOs. It's another sort of construction project really.
73, John.
Not quite. My primer is on the radio API itself. FlexLib is a structured interface between the API and an application. It handles many of the details of the API, on behalf of the application, making the application much simpler to code. Doing the scaling to correctly represent meter values as a floating point value is but one example. The API.Init() and Connect() functions you mention are similar examples - there is quite a lot involved at an API level in that Connect() function!
For no other reason than that I wanted to, I have, in effect, written my own FlexLib. That meant I had to grapple with the raw API and it was from that epic struggle that my API primer emerged :-)
Good luck with your programming. It can be extremely rewarding and outrageously frustrating in equal measure but there is something very satisfying in using code that you wrote to make QSOs. It's another sort of construction project really.
73, John.
Gotcha. I'm starting to see how the pieces fall together.
And I agree, it seems programming is a new aspect of homebrewing for me. I realize I'm having a good time after something finally works. Until then, I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out if I'm misunderstanding the API, the library, the code, the language or the development environment! I've gotten a lot of help from the community though so I'm in real good shape I think.
Kev
And I agree, it seems programming is a new aspect of homebrewing for me. I realize I'm having a good time after something finally works. Until then, I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out if I'm misunderstanding the API, the library, the code, the language or the development environment! I've gotten a lot of help from the community though so I'm in real good shape I think.
Kev
Earlier I wrote:
This must be one of those rare occasions where the documentation gets ahead of the code!
I notice that the page has been changed recently to show the volts/amps scaling factor as 256 but as far as I can see that is wrong. I am investigating.Word from the coalface is that the meter scaling will be changing in a future release. At the moment it is still as per my API primer.
This must be one of those rare occasions where the documentation gets ahead of the code!
(Edited)
John, where can i find your API primer now? All the dropbox-links do not work (error 404).
HI Michael,
I don't know where you are looking but the link from the API Wiki, at http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=Main_Page works fine for me and that is the only place where I plan to maintain a link.
I need to review the Primer! There have been some changes since I last edited it.
73, John, G3WGV
I don't know where you are looking but the link from the API Wiki, at http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=Main_Page works fine for me and that is the only place where I plan to maintain a link.
I need to review the Primer! There have been some changes since I last edited it.
73, John, G3WGV
This still works.
This still works.
The API Primer is wonderful. It covers much of what I had to learn by experimentation. I will try if you are willing to add to it where I can. I'll send you snippets of stuff I've learned.
To all here who are programming I'm willing to help in anyway I can. I have helped a few on here solve issues with programs they were writing. It helps me to help you.
I'm a device programmer by trade. Been making PC's talk to things and control them for over 30 years. Been a ham since roughly 1972. This radio and the ability to program it brings two things together for me so if I can help spread the love I will.
Mark - WS7M
To all here who are programming I'm willing to help in anyway I can. I have helped a few on here solve issues with programs they were writing. It helps me to help you.
I'm a device programmer by trade. Been making PC's talk to things and control them for over 30 years. Been a ham since roughly 1972. This radio and the ability to program it brings two things together for me so if I can help spread the love I will.
Mark - WS7M
To all that are interested, Mark has given me enough offline guidance where I've become much more comfortable both with the radio's API and with the programming environment I'm using. I basically started with no clue and learning about for loops and variables from a book to making a connection to the radio, reading meters and presenting them in a window after viewing Mark's two videos and getting some help by email. I still have a lot of questions but I'm slowly working through them.
Thanks Mark.
73,
Kev K4VD
Thanks Mark.
73,
Kev K4VD
Are you programming in C# ? I have been meaning to get started learning that so I can port the DJ MIDI program from "Processing" to C#. But I got sidetracked along the way.
This discussion it piquing my interest again!
Ken - NM9P
This discussion it piquing my interest again!
Ken - NM9P
Hi Ken... Yes I am. I'm dividing my time between a C# getting started book, Mark's videos and tutorials and Gary's code (way above my head right now). I'm using Visual Studio 2015 Community... free and fun.
Kev
Kev
Does anyone know if you can change a meter's "fps" (frames per second)? For example is there a command like:
c<seqnum> | meter 5 fps=1
Which would set meter #5 to one frame per second.
It seems like there should be but when I send it I get back a reply with the 50001000 message (basically, it doesn't know what I mean). I'm monitoring the "+13.8B" and "PATEMP" meters and it seems a waste to have them set to 10 frames per second.
c<seqnum> | meter 5 fps=1
Which would set meter #5 to one frame per second.
It seems like there should be but when I send it I get back a reply with the 50001000 message (basically, it doesn't know what I mean). I'm monitoring the "+13.8B" and "PATEMP" meters and it seems a waste to have them set to 10 frames per second.
Steve - N5AC, VP Engineering / CTO
Today there is no command to change the meter rate. The interval used to send the meter is stored with the meters already in the radio as a data item and we could easily create a command to change these values, but it's not there toady. The meters are sent whenever a meter quantum is reached and meters are ready. For example, if the quantum is 30ms and the meter is a 50ms meter, then at quantum 0, the meter will not be included in the meter packet. At quantum 2, the meter will be ready and will be sent.
Thanks Steve, it's not terribly important, I just thought I had read it somewhere and when I tried it, it didn't work.
Hi, all the dropbox links are broken, is it possible to get a copy? Thanks!
The link from the API Wiki, at http://wiki.flexradio.com/index.php?title=Main_Page works fine for me and that is the only place where I plan to maintain a link.
