Any update on resuming PGXL deliveries?

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It's been about 2 months since they stopped shipping, so I was just wondering,  I ordered mine in March, and I know there are many others who ordered before me. It would be helpful to have another update and a little more communication about this delay.  Thanks.
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I ordered mine in Dec 2017, and crossing my fingers I see it before the end of 2019.  Obviously it must still have some technical issues to be worked out.

While I like supporting FRS, I have a patience threshold I'm dealing with and a 2K-FA is starting to call my name.  Yes, a PG update and projected delivery date sure would be nice.
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As far as we last heard they are working through the PGXL returns for the filter update.
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Pat - WH6HI

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That is the direction that I went and not been sorry.
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Another question , hopefully the Genuius amp that put down my deposit 12 months ago, that also promised the “free” tuner as well for putting down my deposit before 2018. Just wondering, when the Genius amp finally ships, it appears that the included tuner that was to be shipped with my new amplifier will not be shipped until later....maybe long after the amp?! Will we have to pay the entire balance remaining on the amplifier IF the tuner is NOT shipped at the same time of the Amp? I feel that the balance for the amplifier should be paid before the amp is shipped, but if the tuner isn’t going to be ready at the same time as the amp as promised , then FlexRadio needs to reduce the invoice balance a reasonable amount (msrp of the Tuner alone) and then the maiming balance to be paid prior to the Tuner shipment. I ask only because it doesn’t seem equitable that I placed a deposit for the combination of the new Genius amplifier PLUS a new Tuner. Plus the fact that as a multiple FlexRadio owner, I and many others have been more than patient as many thousands of dollars have been banked by Flex. I just ask that Flex ensures financial equity in both ways! That was the deal that convinced me to give my deposit. So if I can’t get both products that were promised, what will FlexRadio do as far as the deposited customer if the Tuner doesn’t come along with the amp?
Respectfully submitted, and anxiously waiting.
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LOL....  really :)
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18 months waiting Ordered June 2017
Maybe I should go with SPE instead
My invoice paid in full since June 2018
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Time to look at other product . . . Might be another 18 months.
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@K1UO. “LOL....really”. Why do you really LOL? Do you laugh at the ridiculous wait that FlexRadio is heaving upon its most loyal customers? Or do you laugh at the legitimate invoice and billing issue that also has serious FTC implications if and whenever the amp is shipped and the rest of the package deal is not shipped...(colloquially known as “bait and switch”...remember while I am certain this was not the intention of Flex, as I am a loyal fan and big customer having bought more than most I read on the forums, but it is an legit business/legal issue).

So I merely ask, what is the LOL about. The forum is about helping and offering fellow Flex users. I feel this is a legit problem and question and so do others. Is there a single day that the “when will it ship” is not asked ?
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I have been a Flex owner since the original 1000 came out.  Have owned the 1000,5000, 6300, 6500 and now the 6700.  I love the Flex products and can't see myself using anything else in the future.  That being said,  I believe Flex jumped the gun on selling this amp before it was ready.  I am a patient guy but its been 18 months since I ordered my amp and it is starting to get aggravating.  If I had known it was going to take this long I probably would have bought a different amp.  However,  I'd rather wait until the bugs get worked out than to get the amp and then have to send it back.  I just think they should have waited until the amp was father developed before taking orders.  When I ordered in May of 2017, they said the amp should be available by the 4 quarter.  Well, now it's the 4th quarter of 2018.  I am sure that amp will be awesome but you can't blame people for getting antsy after this long.
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Same here I have had a 6300, 6500, 6700
And now 6600M
Waiting 18 months for a PGXL and no Tuner
Ever seen...No video’s even of a working
Prototype Tuner Genius from FRS
Feel I will be a SK (DEAD) before they deliver any
Product at this point !
73 Mike
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The last thing Gerald said is that they are on course for this month.
And you guys that are growing impatiant? as you should be, you will be bragging soon of having the best amp in ham radio.
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If time is a function of quality - then so be it.
I suspect it's not unlike the concept of 2 women having a baby in 4 1/2 months.
Sounds great but......well.......
73
Jim, WQ2H
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Folks, let's just please give Flex and 4O3R whatever turns out to be a sufficient amount of development time they need to properly implement a quality product, both in terms of the PGXL amp, and its companion tuner. If it takes an additional 2 or 3, or even 5 years, to get it right, so be it. My personal bogie is all is good, as long as it gets delivered in the next 5 years, but hopefully a lot sooner. Would I rather have both products today? Of course! But, let's all take a deep breath, and please, give Flex time to get everything worked out. It does no one any good to get something half baked that has performance issues. 

Patience will turn out to be the better part of valor. Trust me, the product will come!

73,
Larry
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Having paid in full $7K and waiting 18 months but
To wait 5 years is ridiculous
73 Mike
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I never said it will take 5 years. I merely said for "me," I personally am more than willing to wait for whatever timeframe is necessary. I really doubt it will take 5 years, I'm just sharing with you my personal viewpoint on this.

JM2C, IMHO, and YMMV

73,
Larry
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I've never understood why anyone would need 1500 watts to carry on a QSO. I've worked the world with a small vertical and no more than 300 watts.If you really need 1500 watts for each QSO then you have a very poor antenna system.

Also, keep in mind that the FCC requires an operator to use the minimum power necessary to carry out the QSO.


§97.313 Transmitter power standards.
(a) An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary
to carry out the desired communications.

Have a Flexcellent day!




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I"f you really need 1500 watts for each QSO then you have a very poor antenna system."

or your QTH is in the middle of the auroral doughnut :-)

73

Tim VE6SH
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Or, sunspots!
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Who needs sunspots? This year I did WAS on 10, 12 and 160 meters. I also added over 160 band points to my total. As a bonus I also got 5 band WAZ

Let's hear it for the solar minimum!
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I have a superb antenna system (SteppIR MONSTIR @85' near the top of a mountain) and there have been many times, especially on FT8 when trying to work the really weak ones who have crappy radios and antennas, that I have needed 1500 W so they can actually copy me at -24dB on their radios.
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The difference in propagation north of 50  from that in W6 is like night and day!

Tim VE6SH
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fyi...my QTH is upstate NY. I started working on 160 in March with a compromised antenna running just 100 watts via junky Radio Shack RG58 and got WAS in just ten days. Then added a 250 watt RM Italy HLA 305V and racked up 86 countries so far.

Don't buy into the hype that you need gigantic antennas and towers coupled with 1,500 watt amps to work 160. That's a lot of bunk. I just using a Hustler 6BTV vertical that I added a 19 foot wire at the top for an inverted L

Why is it that the guys with the biggest and tallest antennas always need to run the most power? Logic dictates that if those antennas are so good then only a few watts would be necessary.
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Somebody asked why anyone "needs" 1500 watts? Well, Ham radio is a hobby, and the gamut of interest runs from QRP to QRO. As far as "needing" anything, heck if we go down that trail, who needs HF Ham radio to talk to another person? It would be oh, so much easier and efficient to pick a name at random out of the Internet, and call that bloke on your cell phone, and talk about your brand of cell phone, the WX, etc. So, to each, his own. I guess some Hams like having 1500 watts on tap just in case the going gets rough, while others prefer to go QRP whilst camping in the woods!:)
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Yes, but many hams run 1500 constantly and not just when it is absolutely necessary. This is contrary to the FCC requirements in 97.313 that we US hams are required by law to obey.
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The subject of this thread has certainly wandered.
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The issue of running power being needed is when the other guy who is trying to copy you is using a Wet Noodle for an antenna and a crappy receiver.   It is particularly noticeable on FT8 when trying to work the really weak DX stations using older legacy radios.. they just do not copy you or for that matter much else unless you blast them with huge ERP....
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Flimsy excuse. I got 157 countries using 45 or less watts (78 using just 5 watts) with a simple vertical. WAS on 40 SSB with just 5 watts and an FT817ND

I'll wager the vast majority of ops running 1500 do so all the time regardless of who they are communicating with. I hear them almost every night on 80 and 160. It's the same ops talking to the same buddies about whatever while running 1500. They proudly state this every so often.
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A good friend of mine Harvey K6QK (SK) used to say “Life is too short for QRP If you can hear them you should work them because they may never be there again”

In many cases the paths are not symetrical so you need a lot of power to make up for the other guys poor antenna and crappy radio.
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Howard life is not short, you were in Kindergarten a long time ago. That phrase is used to excuse less than ideal behavior. At the age of many hams waiting 18 months for a paid for amplifier is significant.
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@Burt. I should modify it to LIFE “REMAINING” IS TOO SHORT FOR QRP.
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I ordered mine in May of 2017.  An update from Flex would be greatly appreciated.
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As of 8/14 they were awaiting arrival of the replacement 6M filters.


Howard






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Must have been on a rowboat from China. That was 3 months ago. It's getting a little ridiculous.
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I also have this on order, sounds like we are getting closer once the replacement parts arrive.
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First sample filters arrived at FlexRadio today for stress testing.  If all goes well with that we will upgrade all existing units at customer locations and then restart new shipments.  Customers who already have the units are on the air every day.
Gerald
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Gerald....  Thank you for the update.  Nice to see we are close to receiving the new amp.  Keep the information flowing.
Richard - N4RWG
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Burch - K4QXX

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Thank you very much for the update Gerald.
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Thanks Gerald

  73 Mike

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Thank you Gerald. Appreciate the update.
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> and perhaps more importantly, because I don't find it's earth-shattering when I can't make a contact.

best comment ever ...

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I'd like to see the FCC reduce max allowed power to under 1KW.

If the max allowed was 2KW then there would be ops saying they must run 2KW to make contacts. The same would happen if allowed to use 5KW.

If you need to run 1500 watts all the time to make contacts then you must be using a block of cement as an antenna
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With that philosophy or analogy, why shouldn’t the Federal government require all automobile manufacturers require speed limiting devices on all cars and trucks sold in the country to not exceed the maximum average highway speed limit??!!?? (70mph....yes I understand their are states and areas that have higher and lower highway limits, but for purposes of debate on this comment, by your theory, NONE of us have any need for any automobile to go faster than 80 or 100mph! ).
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"NONE of us have any need for any automobile to go faster than 80 or 100mph!"

I agree with your statement 100%

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Yes. But we sell them because there are uses and situations for use of high powered cars. Legal racing, experimentation, etc. Racing officially requires organized licensure and training g to do it safely. “Homebrew experimentation to build the most powerful/efficient engine and car is a passion for many.
Sounds familiar to Ham radio?

I may have needs to operate full 1.5kW. I am mandated to use the least power as possible.

Frankly I feel there should be NO limit on maximum powered used, SO LONG as it’s the minimum powered required to allow communication. Whether it’s because I or the other station or both have “cement block antennas” or do to sunspot cycles or whatever.

The key is both self “policeing” AND proper oversight (LOL) from the FCC for those that abuse this power. No different than me taking my 950HP customized hot rod racing down the streets. If caught, fines, jail, loss of license. If we did that, Max wattage of 5kW or 1.21 Gigawatts is fine so long as it is used responsibly and appropriately.
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Do you honestly believe that there is a QTH anywhere in this country that requires a full 1500 watts for every single QSO? Many of these nighttime ops on 160 and 80 are blasting out the energy like they're trying to contact Voyager 1 and 2.

What's the point in a 150 foot tower with a 200 pound antenna if it takes 1500 watts to make a QSO? It stands to reason that the better the antenna system the lower the power requirement to make a QSO. If that's not the case then the tower and huge antenna are a waste of money
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"self policing"?
Seriously? Have you listened to 75 meters lately? 
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Here’s the ultimate Ham HF station:

US Antenna Products LPDA, covering 2 thru 30 MHz continuous (but no worries, 1.8 thru 2.0 also works just fine), measuring in at 70 ft in length, and 70 ft max width, weighing in at 2,800 lbs (so, just slightly less than Tyrus!), mounted atop a 190 ft tower, running the PG XL amp, with its 1500 beautiful heart-hammering watts, baby.

Now, that’s a real Ham station!
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Actually such a station should have a triple stack of antennas to be effective.

Makes my 35'x 70' @85' MonstIR look tiny
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@PAT... I do not believe that anyone is saying they need 1500W for EVERY QSO.  However, there are many occasions like busting a DX Pileup or trying to win a DX Contest or working a really weak one which has a poor antenna and lousy receiver, that every watt you can put into the ionosphere helps. 


For example on 40M with my 12dBi gain antenna and 1500 W or about 24,000W Effective Radiated Power, there still many times when I just can't get through the East Coast Wall to work a EU or Middle Eastern Station in a contest.


BTW... I always love how people think its OK for them to tell everyone else how they should live their lives... and I also love driving faster than 100MPH..

You should try driving in Germany sometimes where there are no speed limits... or working DX from Italy or Russia where typically they run 8-20KW --- I think your opinions will change once you have had  taste of the forbidden fruit.
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Pat - point made and congratulations on your wonderful achievements. 

I'm sure you must realize that, like it or not, people will continue to decide when they use their amplifiers (and buy vehicles they enjoy), just as they always have.           

Anyone for getting back to the thread subject? 
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Yes this is off topic
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You don't need 1500 watts to bust through a pileup.

Do you recall K1N Navassa Island? It was #1 most wanted at the time and had the biggest pileups I've ever seen. I got them on 6 bands running 300 watts to my Hustler vertical while "big guns" were filling the air with enough juice to light up Denver. If you check their log on Clublog you'll see me in there.

Or how about TI9/3Z9DX the Cocos Island Dxpedition that almost no one could work due to huge mountain barriers on the island. I got them on 3 bands.

More recently I got VP6D on 7 bands including 160 with less power. Their pileups were impressive as well and probably just as filled with high power ops and large antenna arrays .

I have many more examples including Clipperton Island where my little configuration got past pileups. So don't tell me 1500 watts is needed for pileups. That just doesn't  hold water.

I'm not telling people how to operate but I am pointing out that running 1500 all the time when it is not necessary is illegal according to FCC 97.313

I'm also pointing out how illogical it is to need 1500 watts if you have a gigantic antenna halfway to the Moon. If the antenna system is so good then you should only need a fraction of 1500 otherwise it sounds like your antenna is not very good after all.


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Pat, I am surprised you did not start a new thread, if you wanted to continue. This was about PGXL deliveries.
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 Your right. My apologies