Additional information on the new FlexRadio products...

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They are black.

Seriously. Did you really expect us to provide any substitive information on the new radios before the big reveal later this week?

Since the chatter and speculation had tapered off, I thought I'd stir up the pot a little bit
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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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Mike - WB8CXO

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So was the Ford Model A
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Small size, built in wifi, built in 2m/70cm. Just a guess.
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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Built in 2m/70cm? If it did full duplex, I'd have to try and find some way to trade up for that! But I doubt I would get it through the local "finance committee!"....

I do agree on the possibility of built-in Wifi & Bluetooth. That would make some sense.

One more day and a half and the world will know.
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EA4GLI - 8P9EH - Salvador

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"M" as in More Money
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Mike - WB8CXO

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IDT Flex wants to get into vhf/uhf unless they can build a radio that will out perform a good transverter.  They had a taste if that with the Flex 5000 V/U
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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They're already doing VHF natively with the 6700. That said it would be nice to have a panadapter for rover type operations (which I do). I've been investigating the possibility of taking my 6700 along for the ride along with an appropriate PA and xvtr for the higher bands.
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Ron W4RDM

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"When I'm through, everybody will be able to afford one, and about everybody will have one." Henry Ford
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Dave - W6OVP

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>I thought I'd stir up the pot a little bit

Time to get out the accordion again and yodel the FLEX song to draw a crowd... <g>
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K1UO - Larry

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I'll join in with ya on the bagpipes Dave.....
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Dave Gipson

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So since my 6500 is now late on the promised delivery... perhaps it is being held up pending the addition of some wonderful new features?
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Gerald - K5SDR, Official Rep

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The hold up un 6500'was parts shortage, which has been resolved and they should start shipping soon.
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Dave Gipson

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Thank you!
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Craig Williams

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Nice of them to tell us about that. Last week Flex said my 6500 would ship the "end" of this week. That's today or tomorrow unless they plan on working Saturday? I do not like the term "soon".
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Hopefully the delay means it will arrive at the same time as the ssdr version that doesn't hang is released. At that point I may feel confident enough to invest in a 6700 ready for next contest season. If there is no update on that issue this evening I am afraid that any number of new models will be of no interest to contesters who need reliable performance whilst running pile ups. For those of us who have waited patiently for the fix, and who cannot be present this evening, I hope flex will be streaming the announcements or putting up information on here at the same time, so that we can be aware of the progress made as well as the future roadmap.
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Rev. David E. Hamm, K4EET

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Well, today is the BIG reveal day (Edit: or is it??? The FlexRadio website says not until the banquet...). Stay tuned for some Facebook postings from our friends on-site. Unless Tim would give us the lowdown this morning... (Edit: Maybe I'm a tad early...)
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Black.. so my guess that "M" was for Mauve is wrong......

Safe travels everyone!

73

Steve
K9ZW
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Now Tim I can imagine the smile on your face just like the cat that has the mouse tale sticking out of it's mouth. Lots of guessing on 6400/6600 but I'm hoping there are some real big features to be checked of the v2.0 wish list besides SmartLink. Such as: The ability to slide slices to another monitor, some support to 3rd party products like Antenna Genius so I can change antenna inputs from Maestro, get diversity to work on 6700, get 2m to work on frequency (calibration), Maestro memory knob, bolder/larger frequency display in slice when clicking to left of frequency just to name a few on my wishlist. Unfortunately it looks like we'll have a month or few still before well get access to v2.0. I'm taking deep breaths.
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Whoops, yes I mean "ability to slide panadapters to another monitor"
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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:)
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The ability to take a slice and move it to another monitor is available now... I have five 20 inch monitors with one slice on each. 
Just grave and slide...
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"Just (grab) and slide"

All you should need to do is click on the top bar of the window of the panadapter and drag it to the other monitor.

I think your terminology is off - panadapter are in slices, not the reverse.
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Nope, that surely doesn't work for me, I've got 3, 22" monitors, when I grab a panadapter bar and drag it to another screen, it does not stay and bounces back to the SmartSDR display.
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me too.  it just pops back

Bob k6dds

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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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That is because the undocking of windows is not supported in version v1.x  It is supported in v2.x
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I am confused. I thought that panadapters were the container and slices were the individual "receivers." This would mean that slicese are in panadapters. 
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I think he means having different panadapters on each monitor. ( my home brew version of SSDR does it)
James
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KM6CQ - Dan

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Now that's customer service. :)

Dan KM6CQ
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Rob N4GA

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What's missing in the line up is a small FLEX1500 type radio.

5-10w output, no tuner
No Fan
160-6m 
small form factor
ETH + WiFi + Bluetooth
WAN capable out of the box



Maybe $1500

I'd buy one tomorrow. I build LDMOS amps so I don't need more than 5w. 

Rob
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Ernest - W4EG

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The day Flex comes out and offer a small mobile radio; I'll be the first one in line to buy it.
Then I'll dump my IC-7100.  
If you collect  IOTA, I am available from NA-138 Amelia
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Bob G W1GLV

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I second that decision, worst radio I ever bought.
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Larry - WA7LZO

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I hope it will have a standard tuner interface, such as the 4-pin Icom protocol. This would provide for maximum flexibility for the most complex aspect of an HF mobile radio installation, the mobile antenna. Screwdriver antennas are OK for mobile HF, but you can't beat a great HV autocoupler, like the Icom AH-4 with a 9 ft whip, or the AH-740, or a super high speed screwdriver, like an AH-760. These all use the Icom 4-pin tuner interface.
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Pretty sure the 6400 and 6600 are the colander-equipped units shown in the "rediscover radio" ads. It has been a long development cycle, but the wearable Flex is now ready for delivery. The -M suffix reveals that optional Marinara Sauce is going to be an option. So, with the 6400/6600, we will be able to enjoy "signal straining" filter technology, wearable interfaces, and be able to (with the -M) season signals to taste. Reception will be enhanced through the use of a new ADC (al dente circuit) which promises superior dynamic range using just a wet noodle for an antenna.

That's my guess, anyway.
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Robbie - KI4TTZ

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I was actually kinda wondering if the new models would be offered in different colors, since other manufacturers sometimes do that in between major product updates. :)  So since they are all black, there goes my theory!
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Clay N9IO

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  Tim, anyone ever tell you that you're just a tease???

I'm having anxiety issues over here...!

Thanks buddy...

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I always thought it would be great to build the Maestro into a stand alone 100W transceiver, even just using the front face of the Maestro on the box, That would kill Icom.
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"Barebones" - removal of what what hardware feature(s) would qualify a 6000-series Flex as "barebones"?

The Flex-6K radio hardware is already 'barebones', IMHO, save the glorious embellishment of a selector control and a text display on the 6500 and 6700 radios.
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Maestro-faced radio 'kill' Icom? Probably not, you're likely talking about a $4-8K radio that would only compete with IC-7700 and IC-7851.

Would a Maestro-faced single-box radio sell well? Absolutely, but if Marstro + Flex 6000- series radios haven't killed Icom yet, bundling two items into one SKU won't likely 'kill' Icom.

And besides, who wants to kill Icom? Until we hear what comes out tonight from Flex, they are releasing some of the most interesting radios in the past two years...
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Barbones "M", that's easy.
6400M - a box with a power connector and a SO-239, no display.
6200M - a box with a power connector and two SO-239s ANT1 & ANT2
Maestro has everything else unless bluetooth is not utilized then you would need lines like PTT and audio to/from Maestro.
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How are either models you described going to win customers? What you've 'stripped' out are trivial differences that can be ignored in current models...

The 6500 has a text display, and two ant ports, I don't see how removing one ant port and a $4 display changes the price or market for this new 6400M model in any meaningful way.

The 6300 has two ant jacks and a mic jack, the 6200M would 'strip off' the mic jack from a 6300? I can't see that changing the price or appealing to a set of users not currently served by existing models.

Not trying to be argumentative, just not seeing it. Thanks, Ken
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The 6300 and 6500 are designed to sit in a shack on a shelf or whatever. A box with a power supply connector and an SO-239 can be designed with a rugged case like the Maestro and snap or mount onto the back of the Maestro. That makes it portable, hence mobile, something you cannot do with 6300 & 6500 without mounting it into a rack box so protect the expensive 6300, 6500, 6700. Or with the Maestro as the ultimate mobile head, connect to the 6400M that is safely tucked away in your trunk but connected to the Maestro via bluetooth.
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6400 plain box/ 6400M Control head VHF
6600 plain box/ 6600M Control head UHF

Cable the 2 control heads together for one remote vhf/uhf.

Or Single control either one plain box.


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K1UO - Larry

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Doesn't the "M" in the new Flex Models signify a rig with a BIG "S" METER  ?
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John AE5X

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That was my understanding...

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Oh, how limiting, there *should* be one for each panadapter, either 2x, 4x, or 8x, based on model.
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Steve W6SDM

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Just don't forget to include the beer dispenser.  :)
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Norm - W7CK

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Nothing is going to KILL Icom.  Besides, who would want to do that?  Icom is a great competitor and competition is good.  I think the new IC-7610 looks like a pretty nice rig and will most likely attract a lot of attention.  I for one certainly wouldn't want to only have one vendor to choose from.
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FYI, my sources at Xenia shared a bunch of photos:

http://swling.com/blog/2017/05/2017-h...

Here's the only photo he has of the Flex booth during setup...

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Rich - N5ZC

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Ken, thanks for posting pictures.  Looking forward to them this weekend.  Rich - N5ZC
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umm hope it not forgot to relocate all cow that was here before ;-)

did really not able to find a better place ?
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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Marc, these sort of multi-use fair/expo complexes are common and the cows are only here briefly to be shown. & judged.

They are friendly places where car shows, sporting events and all sorts take place each year.

Huge upgrade from Hara? My guess is yes, but the show will tell.

73

Steve
K9ZW
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The issue is the event is run by a local club, and staffed with (ultimately) several hundred volunteers. Relocating the event would likely result in the soss of possibly hundreds of volunteers.

They needed to find a venue that could a) fit the number of attendees, b) remain reasonably close to Hara, and not be too expensive to rent.

I think the venue is a step up from Hara.
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EA4GLI - 8P9EH - Salvador

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Still... The US could use a better venue for the major ham event of the year.
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Maybe Salvador, though I am reserving judgement for after the event.

Hotel this year is miles better, so off to a good start!

73

Steve
K9ZW
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Putting on the event requires over 400 volunteers, to relocate the event would likely require finding several hundred replacement volunteers, up to all 400 if moved far enough away.

Imagine it were held in NYC, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, or San Francisco - or really any major city - union regulations, venue fees, and associated hotel costs would all make the show too costly to put on.

Dayton draws 20-25K people/year, I think they are doing something right.

I've been twice, volunteered both times - and would do so again in a heartbeat, but my employer explicitly prevents me from attending Hamvention.

Dayton has been successful in spite of the venue (Hara), I expect it to be even better with the improved venue.
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They would have to relocate it outside of the Dayton area and I'm pretty sure DARA doesn't want to let the show go.
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Dayton exists where it is because of inertia to move.

When compared to Major Ham Events in REAL CONVENTIONS CENTERS such as Tokyo, Friedrichshafen or even tiny Visalia... Dayton is a MAJOR disappointment.

I will reserve final judgment until after the show but I agree with Sal.. the USA needs a better place to hold it than some cow sheds in the middle of nowhere

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Us country people love our cows.
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Personally I'm opposed to paying California prices for anything. Or javits center prices. ARRL centennial was a smaller show and was $100. No thanks
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Personally I am opposed to paying California Taxes or the $15/hr Minimum Wage to totally unskilled labor but I live here so I have no choice