6700 in the new world order

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I purchased my 6700 in February and would love to get some clarity as to the future of this radio given the release of the 6600(M). Currently, it feels as if the axe is going to drop on it much as with the 6300/6500, and that it is just a matter of time.

Clearly it is based on an older chassis that has been jettisoned. Perhaps there will be a 6800(M) offering the 8 slice capability of the 6700, or perhaps the 6700 doesn't have enough volume given its price point and the 6600(M) is going to be the new 'top of the line' radio. 

So come on flex, let us 6700 owners know where we stand!
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Being a 6500 owner, I think the best thing that has come out of Flex is the IOS interface to the iPhone/iPad. For me, with having developed the skills of using VPN thanks to the help on this users group, I am contented regardless of what comes next. Perhaps the newer radios will become appealing but for the time being, I am quite happy.


Jim, K6QE

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David Decoons wo2x, Elmer

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The 6700 is still a current model going forward. It is the only model to do 8 panadapters/8 slices and also 2 meters.

Flex has stated the 6300, 6500, and 6700 will continue to be supported and enjoy new features coming along in 2.x releases.

Dave wo2x
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I specifically purchased  the Flex6700 for the 8 Panadapters when searching for RFI 
Nothing else out there does 8 Panadapters, think the in-band filters for contesting would be as easy upgrade by FRS 
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Ross,

What has changed about your 6700 since you bought it in February?  Has it suddenly stopped working? Has it started to crash? Did it burst into flames?

Or is it the same great radio you bought 2 months ago regardless of the new models?
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Actually, when it heard about the 6600(M) it jumped off my desk, and ran to the corner of the room screaming 'no! no! no! no! no!' Once I had calmed it down and asked it what exactly the matter was, it told me that it was concerned about its place in world. Was it still top dog in the shack? Would I be trading it in? 

I had to be honest with it, and told it 'if a model comes out with a built in panadapter and some knobs, you're a goner mate'. In hindsight not the best thing I could have said. Now it refuses to boot up until I promise I won't trade it away. 

On a more serious note: I love my 6700. great radio, love the 8 slice capability, but would love to know where it stands as it feels like its the stepchild given the new chassis etc. i.e. I would probably upgrade to a 6800M if one were to become available. I understand that Flex will not pre-announce as it will drive down the value of the 6700 stock. On the other hand if they don't intend to continue producing the 6700 down the road because the price point just doesn't drive enough volume, then that would be good to know as well. 

Reality, we will know when they decide to tell us, but no harm in asking :-)
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I'm with you Ross.  It would be great to know what FRS plans to do with the 6700, but the odds of FRS telling us right now is probably zip.  It's safe to assume FRS probably has 6700's still in their inventory for sale, which obviously they want to sell, so odds of them announcing the 6700 model will be dropped at this point in time wouldn't be beneficial. 

On the plus side, I think we can logically surmise what's going to happen to the 6700:

* Receiver hardware improvements have been made to 6600 (Contest grade filtering, etc), so now the 6600 has a better receiver than the 6700
* Two SCU's are in the 6600 so it probably has the 6700's Receiver Diversity capability
* Due to its price, sales numbers on the 6700 was no doubt considerably less than the 6500 and 6300, hence the need to push some of the 6700 features down to 4-slice models
* The larger 6400/6600 case utilizes the fairly small Maestro sized monitor.  I question what 4 slices will look like on a screen this size, so it's a safe bet we won't be seeing 8 slices on this screen... so I seriously doubt we'll see a 6800M model
* The 6600 has an additional (2) Transverter port, while the 6700 only has one

Like you, I bought my 6700 specifically for its 8-slice capability (and VHF range).  Perhaps the hand-writing is on the wall 6700.  Hopefully FRS won't leave us 6700 owners hanging too long before giving us the scoop. 

The 6700 and Maestro was my first Flex experience.  Based on how FRS handles hardware improvement support for the 6700 will determine whether I stick with Flex or return to ICOM.

KF4HR   
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Here is summary of 6000 lineup showing the major differences that was shown during the Flex dinner last night.  I seem to remember someone asking the question if the better preselector filters could be retrofitted and the answer was NO.
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I just reviewed a recent Dayton video of Gerald (K5SDR) speaking about enhancing the receiver performance of the 6700.  (https://youtu.be/UGNVjGKdvbM?t=8677  If I'm hearing this correctly evidently there will be receiver enhancements included in V2.0, and he also off-the-shelf filters will be able to be inserted in the 6700's in/out receive loop to bring it up to speed to the 6600 receiver.  This is great!  I'd be very interested in hearing more about this hardware filtering enhancement and its availability.  This would be a great topic for the Flex Insider.
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In/out loop preselectors are available now, and it works really well. You dont need a new radio just for this.

https://herostechnology.co.uk/pages/SCR_Preselector.html

 
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The Flex-6600M will show two slices on the touchscreen with all four slices available to other clients.

I forgot to ask if it would show different slices on a screen attached to th HDMI port.

73

Steve
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That would be way cool!
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Flex will attract new customers to the new 6400M/6600M models because of the legacy form factor (knobs) and much better price points. The 6300/6500 no longer in production will still be supported by Flex with SmartSDR software updates and service. The 6700 is now a unique radio but few hams will be willing to pay for its capabilities and I predict it will go into limited production if not discontinuance. Any company that wants to stay in business has to improve its product line . Since technology moves so fast companies must create new products that will bring this technology to market. FlexRadio is using new technology and creating some of this technology itself and building new products. Would you rather FlexRadio look more like Kenwood? TS2000 a 17 year old radio and the TS990 more knobs than innovation? Kenwood only survives in Amateur Radio because it's subsidized by its consumer and LMR markets. Flex now needs to tighten up SmartSDR cause "It's all in the software"... (after ya buy a new radio)......
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The Flex-6700 remains the "king" of the bunch. 

Of the differences between the Flex-6700 and the Flex-6600:


  • It is possible to emulate the 6600 filters with some modestly priced externals for the 6700.

  • You cannot add a second transverter port to 6700, so you need to use external switching if you want more than ONE transverter hooked to your 6700, or if you want more than TWO transverters hooked to your 6600.

  • You can choose to not use Slices E, F G & H on your 6700 reduce to only four slices like the 6600. <grin>

  • The will remain packaged in different form factors.

  • The 6700 isn't offered in an M model.

  • The 6600M is 3-4 months out, a 6600 a while longer out, but you can buy the "King" 6700 now (with or without a Maestro, though a new Maestro is out eight weeks or so).

I think that covers the main parts.

73

Steve K9ZW


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The filters would be by scu. There are two SCU's in the 6600 which allow you to have panadapters on two different antennas simultaneously.

Once you have more than one band using the same antenna (multiple panadapters open) (same SCU) then the filters need to be turned off and those panadapters will show WIDE.

If you have only a single panadapter using an SCU and the zoom is set so that you only see the ham band it will ise the 7th order filter for 10, 15,, 20, 40, 80.

If you only have a single panadapter using a SCU and again zoomed in the see just the ham band it will use the 3rd order filter for ham bands other than mentioned above.

If you zoom out to where the panadapter goes past the edge of the ham band it will tirn off the filter and it will show wide.

To recap, if a SCU has either multiple bands using it or if the single panadapter is displaying outside the ham bands the filters will be disabled.

Simce on the 6600 you can only have two antennas in ise at once you can't have it use multiple bandpass filters simultaneously. On a single SCU.

You can have 20 meters using ANT 1 and 40 meters using ANT 2 and both would be using 7th order filters as long as the panadapter zoom is only showing the ham bands.

Dave wo2x
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Thanks for that info David
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Ho Dave

Looking at the FRS presentation I am involved into rebuild our contest Station and the 6600M seem a good shot for our Mx configuration. What I am evaluating is to have one 6600M radio with extra 2 client , even Maestro or SSDR, so I can configure a MM station with 3 ops , run/partner/inband on same band, hope opening 3 slice on same band with one SCU, or MS with 2 ops in one band , run/partner and a 3th one that look for mults in other band, i.e. withone SCU two slice on 80m , run / partner, on one TX antenna and may be different RX antenna, and multiplier on other band with one slice in the other SCU on 40m. Beside these seem to be option available with the 2.0 version are these scenarios doable ?

Thanks Fabio
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Flex has stated the 2.0 release will not support multi client at initial release. They did not give a target date for that availability or exactly how the multi clients would work.

Dave wo2x
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Hi Dave

Thank's for promptly answer, i will follow the events in the next months, in the mean time i will plan to reserve a 6600M, hope ready for incoming CQWW season.

Fabio I4UFH