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Improved/properly working ANF still nowhere to be found.
Truly sad. So many basic things need work. Instead we get a multicolored S Meter and improved spots.
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So what exactly does not work with the ANF? ...for me it does.

Volker, DL4RCE
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You're lucky then. It works fine to block someone tuning up with no conversation on the same frequency. But, be listening to a qso and have someone tune up on top of them ( intentionally or not) then engage the ANF to notch out the offending signal, and no matter how you adjust the ANF, the offending signal will blow eight thru the top of the qso. My Icom 706's ANF tuned to the same qso, will remove the offending signal without messing up the desired signal's audio. Same thing with many other radios I own or have owned. A $5,000.00 radio should work better than a 20 year old radio.
Not to mention, there's still no ALL MODE squelch either.
Bells and whistles seem to be a priority instead of fully functioning basic features.
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James, I agree the ANF could use some work but it’s not unusable as it is now and I know FRS will get to it at some point. I’m just glad that the radio works as good as it does now. Just hang in there James it will get fixed.
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Some of us have been hanging on for close to 5 years now!
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ANF seems to work exactly as you described for me though on 6600M. Quite unusual:) Although it seems to have problems with signals of higher amplitude. By the way do any of you M users find adjusting the TNF using fingers harder than it should be?
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Yep, nearly impossible with the M model.
Even zoomed in.
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Adjusting the TNFs is tricky on the radio display, but manageable (even for my baloney fingers). I mostly use the separate computer anyway and I really like the flexibility of resizing, moving, changing the depth, and turning them on and off. Also like the ability to "butt them up" right against the areas of interest.

Keep the faith James - I'm guessing they'll get to it.

73
Jim, WQ2H
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James I have no problem with ANF either (6700).  You might want to submit a trouble report. 

I agree that incorporating All Mode Squelch into SSDR would be nice, although it works pretty good via RFStack.
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It's not hardware related. It's the firmware in the radio that's lacking.
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I agree the ANF needs a lot of work. I have the same problem with it that u do. I really like my 6500 but the DSP needs help.
Terry
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I have the same issue as James with my 6700.  It's more prevalent with a strong signal.  Works great on a carrier that has no QSO behind it. 
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I also find ANF dissapointing. Comparing my 6500 with a cheap Cross Country Wireless SDR4 feeding my WebSDR exposes the inferiority of ANF under identical conditions. My main criticism is the significant 'colouration' of the wanted audio. Sorry, but I don't feel compelled to update to 2.9
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Yep, it's not an issue with no signal other than the tuner upper. Only when it is happening on top of a qso. Then, unlike so many other rigs I own, engaging the ANF allows the tuner upper to blast right over the conversation.

That, is what upsets me. Even my Flex 1500 and PSDR had a better ANF.
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James, I, too, am not fully enthusiastic about the performance of the ANF, but for serious notching I use TNF, which is flawless.

Fixing ANF is on the list of things to do, but the major focus of this update was getting DAX to work over SmartLink, in addition to other items, such as USB control for a few amps, and a few "bells and whistles" as you call them.  One of them, the multi-color S-Meter is intended to make the meters more readable for those who have color acuity problems.  There are also many internal function improvements.

If you read the release notes, you can see the progress of the 8 different alpha test versions that have been necessary to get these functions ready for release since the last full release.

I am confident that FRS will eventually release updates to various DSP functions such as ANF.  I am also confident that when they do release them they will be worth the wait.

As far as all-mode squelch.  I find that with careful adjustment of the AGC-T in combo with NR, I can simulate a squelch effect that keeps signals from being heard until they are loud enough to bother with.  I am hoping, however, that FRS will eventually release a phone squelch that is not merely a simple signal level squelch used by other manufacturers, but possibly a smart squelch that will detect speech and stay closed for simple noise and carriers.

I am sorry that their time schedule does not meet your expectations.  I understand your frustration.  But I for one am glad to have the new features that have been released.  And I know that there will be more on the horizon....

Ken - NM9P
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Because remote has put Flex in it's own class, many are using Smart Link because of its ease of using it. Dax over Smart Link was the one thing they needed to finish witch by the way some said it could not be done said the so called experts.

As Ken mentioned this release was mostly about Dax for remote.

I am very impressed with the long list of items addressed in the log.

Nice work Flex....
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Ken, I appreciate your input. I'm not expecting anything from FRS on "my time schedule". I am however, expecting that what I have been told to me by employees of FRS that should know what is being worked on, (such as a senior engineer) would actually appear when he told me it would.
Not to mention a certain salesman, who also should know, telling me "everything that's in PSDR", plus much more, would be in SSDR PRIOR to version 2.x.
That statement helped me decide to purchase a 6300, 6500 and now a 6600M. Unfortunately, very little of the basic features of the last official version of PSDR, such as an All Mode Squelch, and a properly working ANF, have made it into any version of SSDR.
Much less the paid upgrade to v2.x.
I understand that the features and fixes that have been done are no dout useful to many. But, BASIC, working features should have been done and done right, long ago. Not continually put off .
But, I guess I'm in the minority here and apparently only one of a few that actually expects FRS, their staff and their software, to be what it can and should be.
The hardware is fantastic.
And using the TNF's for what I need is a PITA with the M model radios. And even in SSDR, if the offending signal moves up and down in frequency.
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Sounds like you spoke to the same salesman I did when I bought my 6500!

BTW, where’s that 1.x release that was supposed to come after v2 was stable?
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Maybe, it's on hold till v2 actually is stable?
:-)
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I think what's most frustrating is that version 1.5 was billed as the noise mitigation release of SSDR. It's been three years since it's release and most of the issues that were there when it was released are still there today. It's fine to say there are other priorities and that things will get fixed in time however three years later people are starting to lose faith.
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For what it's worth, I abandoned the ANF for the TNF and it workd a lot more effectively than the ANF ever did. You can set as many as you need and/or keep in permanently in place. Granted an ANF that automatically covers a given carrier that may bounce all over the passband is nice but not necessarily required to accomplish the 'full time' drop of an offending carrier. That said, even the websdr's for the most part do a good job with the autonotch that keep the carrier out even when voice audio is present.
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I agree the TNF is great for "fixed" interference such as crud emitted by a noisy wall wart that belongs to your neighbor. For removing a tuner upper's signal on top of a qso that you're trying to copy, it will work......as long as the tuner upper doesn't decide to play games and rock the VFO back and forth. Then it's not so effective.
Plus, as I said earlier, it's next to impossible to use the TNF with the M model or the Maestro. (much less try to set several TNF's in the receive bandwidth)
I'm glad so many here seem happy with half baked software. Personally, I'm not. I have been a fan of Flex radio for years. But, it amazes me that people can overlook faults in such expensive radios (meaning the software that controls the radios) in favor of what some would describe as "eye candy and fluff".
Big efforts in remoting, spots, and some needed visual aids. But, very little to the basic controls and functions.
I would think the basics working reliably, would attract more buyers. But, then again.... what do I know?
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i agree in fact this morning on our morning group on 75m I stated I won't upgrade to 2.49 because there is nothing in it I need and with all the problems after doing this upgrade why put yourself through it. Oh and James be careful what you post here a few of mine have been removed just because some people can't stand the truth.
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There are 60 good reasons to upgrade in this release..lol
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Bill I can't say what my fingers want to type here......... LOL
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Lol, I get it Doug,,but really there are so many things improved under the hood that make things work better, It is always good to upgrade.
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James, you are right and I'm embarrassed to have to say that.

I've been a Flex owner since buying a 5000C back in 2007. I've been through many of the upgrade and delivery episodes in these 11 years and been happy to do so because in the end it was worth it to get cutting edge features.

Starting with the "Ugly Betty" skins implementation in PowerSDR, the company has worked at adding features over fixing bugs in order to sell radios, which in theory would allow Flex to fix bugs. I'm not in any position to argue with the logic but I can argue that it hasn't worked very well as far as I can see.

The basic noise blanker, ANF, diversity reception and the poor D-Star folks have suffered long enough.

The time has now come to get serious about fixing bugs and holding off on new features. It would be nice to not have to explain to friends that my vaunted Flex radios have a world class receiver and panadaptor but don't remove noise.
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Perhaps Flex should consider having dedicated bug fix/feature enhancement releases.  Maybe every odd numbered point release is a bug fix and fearture enhancement release and every even numbered point release is a new features only release.  This would also allow users to be more selective on whether they want to upgrade to each new release.  This is a very aggressive release schedule for users to follow !   Quite honestly I dont want to upgrade every two months because things can break and I dont feel like fixing them that often.  I want to operate the radio not fix software issues ! 
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Every update the ANF and NB issue seems to resurface.  Some say it is not an issue to them or do not notice it. I work mainly DX and some contesting and the ANF in my opinion works OK on some tune up signals but when someone talks in the pass band the tune up tone enters the receive audio. Other manufactures have solved this issue and I am patiently waiting for it to be resolved. 

I have a friend with a 6500 who just purchased a Anan 7000 and reports that the ANF and NB work much better. I've have heard similar comments from other Anan users. 

I love my 6600 and 6300 and in my opinion for me the Flex is still the best Value and favorite rig to use but I sure wish the ANF, NB, diversity phasing and auto AGC-T would receive some consideration over the pretty cosmetic improvements. 

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This a testement as to how good a Flex is, most the DSP filters do not work as good as we like, but for most, it is OK. Most enjoy the radio without them because it just performs so well.

It has been stated that for a $ 5000 radio it should have these working perfect. And it should.
But I would think that a $5000 radio should have WNB, that is amazing,  and have the same wonderful PROC the Flex has. and an AGC-T that we enjoy. But, they don't. And there are no other radios that have such a great display, smooth and Hi res. They all should, for $5000, right? But they don't.

With every release there are a few that will dump on Flex for not working on the things we want. It happens every time.
There are some pet things I want worked on as well,,but I also know there are so many things I love about my radio that helps keep things in perspective.

And I also know, if I'm not happy with my radio I can just move to another product and join their frustration, and they all have them.
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The Anan uses an upgraded version of PowerSDR, which is public domain SW. That being said. I was a user of PowerSDR with Flex 3000. Power SDR has and has always had a very good ANF capability as well as other features that are not available or are poorly applied in the current versions of SmartSDR. I have been disappointed in this for a long time. FRS has improved SmartSDR since it’s inception. I hope that, in the future, that you will get the basic and much desired features improved to a level, of a premium cost radio.
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I agree the radio has some strong points as mentioned by Bill above.  However, for a radio in this price class I would expect the basic DSP functions (NR, NB, WNB, AGC-T, ANF, TNF,  etc.) to work properly.  There are allot of complex pieces, both hardware and software, to the Flex system platform. In my opinion Flex should have spent more time on rolling out a very stable and solid performer, with all basic functions working, and then worked on adding some of the cooler features.  This is starting to feel like a group science project where we are all trying to get something we want.

I am a new Flex customer (6600M) and this is my first upgrade cycle.  It feels like chaos to me.  All kinds of reports of things not working.  Including the basic upgrade process.  I will wait for a couple weeks to upgrade once I feel confident  that things wont break.  I dont want to be spending hours or days fixing complex configurations that I have up and running.  In my opinion a two month upgrade cycle is way too aggressive for most users.

I own another high end radio that is a rock solid performer and the firmware upgrades are painless.  It doesnt have a high resolution touch screen, nor can it do full duplex and it needs miles of cables and expensive add on devices to run SO2R, but it is an absolute top performer and a real workhorse.  That's why it will remain in the shack.  I hope to say the same for the Flex some day.  Time will tell. 

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying my Flex but I think things could be better.

Joe
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Joe, there is a certain amount of chaos in these upgrades, some of it inflicted by Flex but in my opinion, created by many of the users who aren't as far up on the learning curve as they could be. We've all seen the bad Ethernet cables, the Transmit not Ready flags because the radio was set for a mode that would cause the signal to be out of band, lousy WiFi gear, you name it. Flex puts a lot of effort in thinking the whole system through and many aren't used to that.

The Signature Series radios, and for that matter the previous generations, have (had) a number of bleeding edge features and many newbies have difficulty figuring them out. I'm not holding myself up as any kind of super operator because I'm not. But if you're coming from an old style knob radio, don't understand networking or have never seen a beautiful panadaptor, it takes a bit of getting used to and understand.

When I bought into the Flex concept in 2007 I knew that as an early adopter I was in for a ride and for me it has been a lot of fun but not without frustration. I enjoy the updates and occasional two steps back. Others want an out of the box experience that is cast in stone and I have told some friends the Flex was not for them. If you like adventure, you've found a home!
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There is really no good reason to not upgrade. If it happens to hang while upgrading just pull the power and restart the radio and it will continue and finish. Upgrading your new flex in most cases is very slick and painless.
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Boy, there seems to be a LOT of discontentment here with the extreme delays being encountered with promised features and enhancements .    Also with features that were said to be working and NOT.  It is clear that most of the delays are excessive.  I sure HOPE people at Flex are paying attention to all of these comments. While I and others understood that some of these things would be delayed I do not think that any of us understood how long these delays would be.  Being a Flex fan I am really hoping that the company gets on the ball and resolves these issues.
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Their focus has no doubt changed over the years. They have done amazing things with So2R and remote which has little value to me but is big for others. As a rag-chewer we don't feel as much love :)

My biggest excitement has been S meter improvements and Icon changes !

I hope some days we see more features including a working auto notch.

With other manufacturers going SDR I am thinking they will be forced to.

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James I agree, my 6600 works same as yours, its yet anther case of flex doing a fancy paint job before adding power steering.

I'm still waiting on 5 year old broken promises.

Extreme delays.....couldnt agree more.
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I am usually on the not satisfied fence when it comes to Flex promises versus what and when it gets delivered.  However, with this release and the last one I have got to say I am somewhat positively surprised in a good way at what they have done while in the middle of fixing hickups with the new radios and the amplifier.  I hope this is the realization of the promise of consistent regular software releases every couple of months that we heard back a couple years ago.
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James,

What an amazing response to my post.  Since it was directed specifically at me, let me respond directly to you.
First, I will respond to any post on this forum I choose including yours, any time I choose and say anything I choose to say.  Exactly consistent with your overall point, my take on what I'm experiencing is every single bit as valid as yours.  You don't hold some special position that makes your take correct, and mine simply "religious zealotry" which doesn't deserve to be stated.  Are you kidding?  You thinking my post was actually some kind of attack - on you! - is flat out amazing.
Also, I at least tried to be clear that I was not discounting your or anybody else's experience.  Unless you're flat out lying - and I absolutely don't believe you are - your take on what you're experiencing is your take and that's that.  It isn't right or wrong or anything in-between.  It's your take.  What kind of idiot would blindly assert that you aren't seeing what you say you're seeing - and "attack" you?  Really ???
As for not offering help or understanding, who are you to decide whether what I say does or does not constitute help or understanding of the issues at hand?  My point was specifically NOT to challenge what you were reporting and I wasn't even specifically responding to you anyway, let alone "attacking" you.  The thread was getting to sound more and more like a referendum on how bad Flex's DSP tools are in some absolute sense.  As if you and the others are stating absolute fact that isn't an opinion subject to disagreement.  Obviously, everyone including you who stated corresponding views truly feels the way they do.  However, you and they do NOT have a strangle hold on some absolute  "truth" that all of Flex and everybody else is just flat out too frickin' stupid to understand.  In fact, at least based on the reading, YouTube watching, personal discussions and now very modest personal experience I have of my own, it's really pretty far from the majority.  To almost quote the last line in your post, "If you and others are experiencing these issues I'm sorry for you and I hope Flex fixes them.  Fortunately, it's not the case for everyone."

When I got my 6600 a few weeks ago, it failed in the first two hours of opening the box.  Obviously, I was very concerned.  I posted about it, someone else responded with a similar experience and before long there were quite a few similar posts and it began to feel like my experience was an example of some serious widespread problem.  At some point, someone posted that they and everyone they knew of were not having the problem.  That offer of their understanding was very helpful.  It helped put things in perspective.  That is what I was trying to do - add some weight to the underrepresented "not everybody feels this way" side of the scale because I don't and I think many other owners don't either.

You asked about my "obliteration" experience.  Just before I read your or a similar post on this thread that precipitated my response, I had been listening to my new replacement 6600, heard a weak station with several folks calling him and then several "interfering signals" popped up as well.  In the old days I would have said people were impolitely turning up on the weak DX station but whatever it was, I put a TNF on one of them and hit the ANF button and they just disappeared.  All of them.  The weak station returned to sound like it had and the QRM stations were unaffected too.  It's like all of that junk simply disappeared without any artifacts. I was very impressed and have never heard another radio do anything like that.  There's always a residual "garble" price to be paid and there's usually a little junk still left over too.  It was in stark contrast to what was being reported.  It just was.  Period.  That was the experience I had, like it or not.  Whether you want to hear it or not.
You talk about religion in radios, cameras etc.  Some part of my response was in reaction to exactly what you are talking about.  I find some people who own "the radio brand you're not cool unless you love" just like that.  I've owned a high end, highly touted model from that company and was actually very disappointed in it.  MY experience (not yours, not the one you SHOULD have, not anybody elses, not the right experience, not the experience you better agree with or you're stupid, just MY experience) is people almost seem to "invent reality" to fit in with what they think must be true about that radio (whether they actually see it or not themselves) because I didn't find most of what was anecdotaly claimed about them to actually be true in real practice by a very large factor.  This thread started to feel a little like, "well my BRAND X radio is WAY better than this!!" and sounding a little like the religion thing you're talking about.  And I wanted to present my contrary experience, and I did.  And I will again and again and again absolutely any time I feel like it.

That religion thing works both ways James.  I notice in at least some circles it's actually "cool" to condescend about Flex radios, or at least criticize them, perhaps with some related bias. I've heard it on the air and read it on the forums.  When the deck sounded like it might be getting stacked that way in this thread a bit, I simply presented my contrary perspective.  Because my contrary experience is every bit as valid as anyone else's and I have every bit as much right to state it as you have to state yours.  But as you said yourself and actually just proved,  "Anything that's posted that some devotees of the item in question are ridiculed and told they don't understand..." like you JUST did with me.  I could just insert the first 5 1/2 paragraphs of your post here in response to you.
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I guess I should have separated my comments more carefully. My only direct to you comment was the question I posed in the first paragraph. The rest was not directed solely at you. For that I apologize.
Comment however you wish.
I just get tired of the piling on posts that frequently happen if I dare to present issues I and others are experiencing. Read here long enough, and you'll see for yourself.
Have a good day.
James
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James
    You are NOT alone.  Others are taking a more formal approach to the, well charitably speaking, slow response to these problems.  
Peter

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Janmes, you are certainly not alone. IMHO Flex radio is a fantastic work of technology that far surpasses the performance of ICOM, Yaesu and the likes and only Elecraft is anything close. But they have the tendency of “lacking a steering wheel for the jet pack” syndrome:)

Some very basic finish you wont think twice about is simply not there. For ex. No built in SD card reader/writer to save configuration or profile, still using RCA connectors in some places, no built-in RTTÁ/PSK/CW decoder (a given at the 5K price range of 6600-M), No suggested cable set for steppir or other antenna controllers, no onboarding guide for icom or yaesu users etc. The onboarding from another radio system is almost as pleasant as a dentist visit (at least it was for me). :)

BUT there is a reason we shelled out so much $$ for this rig. It’s performance, sensitivity and selectivity destroys everything in vicinity. Yes it’s clunky interface is very strange at first look, but you get used to it and slowly you begin to see their thought process. It’s not as bad as it originally seemed. This is their first foray into computer less operation, and they are still learning I suppose. I’ll wait a few more revs.
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But now I have a use for those RCA cables I took off the stereo system a decade ago.
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James, please do not stop posting your comments, It is important that they keep coming. I think what stirs things are the words you chose, many times your comments sound much like an attack on flex with so much anger. But if you were to say you are simply disapointed and leave it like that.

I posted earlyer a bunch of comments made by Gerald over the past couple years in regard to the things Flex considers when planning updates. His comments go widly ignored.
Each week Flex has a meeting to discuss progress on the work they are doing and lay out plans.

As I mentioned in an earlyer post, The ANF and NB would be ha huge progect and consume mostly all the resources they have for that progect and I would last months.

So maybe less anger and try to understand why Flex do things in the order they do. I believe they have good reasons for their plans other then trying to make some upset.



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Bill, that's the problem with text, it's difficult to judge a person's true emotions, compared to a face to face conversation. If you or anyone, think that my posts were in anger, please accept my apologies. All the posts I've ever made here were never in anger.
Disappointed, yes. Angry, no. There's never a reason, in my opinion, to be angry over software that I feel could do so much more.
I'll try to word my posts more carefully in the future.
James
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my anf  did not work very well when I did last  update  for some reason i dumped  program and did reinstall all is good now
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Here is my take on it:

First, I find I can filter just about anything I need with the very flexible filter controls.  I honestly have little need for the TNF, ANF etc.  I've played with them but I honestly cannot say I know how to correctly use them.

Very rarely do I come across I signal I cannot get to by dragging my filters around with the pan deeply zoomed in.  This is something that no "big 3" radio can do as well.  Yes they claim to have dual pass band filtering but none that I know of allow you to zoom in tight on a signal and carefully adjust your filters for it.

So for me the Flex filters as they are work extremely well.  This is not to say I would not love to see some love given to the DSP side of things.  That would just make an already great radio better.

On the negative side of things for me:

1) I find most of the "tools" under the slice DSP window to be pretty useless.  I've seen the videos from people on the WNB and NB but for me they seem to do nothing.  The NR does actually seem to reduce some noise but I like to take things at the source and I try to use a low noise receive setup in the first place.

2) While not a filter in the strict sense of the word, I bought a 6600 so I would have two SCU.  I am waiting for the phased diversity receive noise cancellation that is currently available on the Anan.

This seems like a some what trivial thing to do, you simply enable the two SCU, one is your master, the other is your phased input.  You vary the phase of the input and basically subtract the second SCU signal from the first (or perhaps some part of it).

I'm sure there are many complexities in actually achieving this but I think it would leap frog the flex radios forward in their ability to deal with noise.  Here is what 40m CW usually looks like for me.  That two humped demon you see moves around.  Sometimes it is down around 7 mhz and like just now it is right in my favorite operating area.

If I switch my antenna input into my end fed wire at the north end of my property this thing completely disappears.  This tells me I'm picking up some noisy device in my neighbors house where my loop antenna is near.

I am fairly confident that if I could run my EF wire in on antenna 2 and use a diversity phase cancellation against my loop I could make this thing go away.

Some of you would say to go and talk to your neighbor, figure out the thing and quiet it down.  That works if you are allowed to have antennas in your neighborhood.  I am not so my wire antennas are somewhat stealth and it would be somewhat of a mistake to tromp down there and demand to examine their devices for nasty RF.

Yes I can setup to transmit on the loop, receive on the end fed.  But the end fed does not receive as well.  IE the loop picks out much more.  So this is a very clear case where I know the DSP controls currently under the DSP menu do absolutely nothing and I think the only thing that would fix this for me is the phased diversity noise cancellation.




Just my 2c

And yes, I do believe Flex will get to these things.  They have a prioritized list of fixes but I have no idea who assigns the priority and why.
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If I may round up comments from Gerald and Steve from the last couple years?

Flex staff has weekly meetings to discuss production, customer support, new product time lines and devopments.
They discuss version features and deside witch ones best fit their long range plans. This is based on how long it will take to complete, and what resources are needed. How many man hours are needed, and will it effect other projects all ready on the go.
And is the feature one that will give good returns for the effort?

At this time it is said that the big feature that is being worked on is the muti client. This is a huge project and I would think an incredible amount of testing is needed for that. With this project, how many resources are there for other things? Is it needed to take people away from a project to work on something different. Spreading people around to complete many tasks is a juggling act.

As we have seen in the past Flex has a long term plan they mostly stick too and they have been racked over the coles for it, staying on course.

In the case of fixes, it depends on what level the problem it is. If it is a problem that is something that bothers people, it may be a while before working on it. And can they fit that bug fix in the next version, sometimes updates are held back as they are trying to get as much done in that update as possible. It is a ballance between customers getting very impatiant and holding off till everything is completed. I think I read there is more then a 1000 things that could be addressed.

If they produce more updates in a year then fewer things will be addressed over all. Many things that can be done take a lot of time to do and then we have all the testing to do on each stage, this testing alone could take weeks or month's. With fewer updates bigger things can be done, that is just the nature of software development.

If the bug is a fatal one that will effect the radio performance greatly then that bug moves to the top.

I know I left out some things but I hope it helps to understand the thinking and planning behind, why and how they do things. To my understanding.