Please get rid of Anonymous Posting

K2CB Eric Dobrowansky

Lay off the Kool-Aid a little bit, Bill!

It's been three or four releases now and the transmit audio buffer noise burst issue has still not been fixed properly...... And my recent posts inquiring as to if if it will be fixed in the next release have gone unanswered.

Is it too much to ask for features we were led to believe were coming sooner rather than later, as well as proper bug fixes, before we start seeing new products, such as Maestro, SO2R, and other new products?

Eric
K2CB

Walt - KZ1F

Burt, it is really interesting what you said in your next to last post. Yes, that is the definition I would apply to this board. It is what I was driving at with Flex religious purity test. If one doesn't sing the song just as loud as as the loudest, you are deemed a troll, mocked, ridiculed, and recipient of snide remarks generally from the quasi-employee Elmer(s). Your last post poised a very interesting question nobody answered. Put slightly differently, why is it someone is deemed a troll because they voice the opinion the 6000 is not done cooking yet while FRS is off chasing boxes to compete with Elecraft? I do think 2016 will be the year of the SDR. That doesn't mean the 6000 isn't an outstanding radio (I've never wavered from that position), it just isn't the ONLY outstanding radio and in about 6 months, I believe the game radically will change, be it competition from Asia or from Elecraft. Nobody is ceding the market to FRS. I'd vote for FRS to make the 6000 software bulletproof before venturing into new features or new hardware. I believe very shortly there will be tremendous downward pressure on pricing. I want version 1 bullet proof before that occurs.

I, for one, am getting really tired of being mocked and ridiculed by some who take their, um, affection for FRS and the 6000 to an almost sexual level.  And THAT, imho, reflects very poorly on FRS. I believe FRS, in trying to chum up with the kool-aid drinkers is taking sides. And, just for the record, Howard and I get along really well and email OOB often. The fact I sometimes call him out for saying, what I consider to be foolish stmts doesn't require FRS to come in and threaten to excommunicate me. (We all know Timothy wasn't referring to Howard). God forbid an elmer be chastised. This board doesn't need to be drama club. Also, I often 'like' comments he (Howard) makes. And, should FRS decide to take action against an Elmer, Howard would be towards the bottom of that list.

Steve K9ZW

Guys - do to a Harley web forum and rant on about how your rice burner is a better choice and everyone at the HD forum is therefore ****, and watch the fireworks go.

Ditto if the brands are reversed.

Trolls include those too lazy to do a forum search first, and then grinding against the grain to the general flow.

The games not only distract but they end up in later searching possibly appearing every bit as valid as the correct information.

Net postings lack much of the Quality of other forms of interpersonal communications, though usually the advantages of world-wide participation and such offset the quality drop.  

I've heard mention here about cognitive dissonance being somehow a requirement.

That is pure ****.  While manure may in the end contribute to the growth of the food we eat, it has no place on the plate served.  

In the groups I moderate Troll Posts are deleted, and the Troll put on moderated-postings so they can read but what the write is subject to an approval process. 

Tim has FRS continued position and the technical limitations of the software, so what we have is what it will be.  

Hopefully we can avoid the degeneration of the community into a usenet style free for all for the long run.  It's working now so there is hope.

73

Steve
K9ZW

Walt - KZ1F

Steve, one difference between this forum and, say, yours or Yahoo or usenet forums is this one is, effectively, corporately sponsored. It is the identified vehicle to communicate with the vendor. Also, as you were speaking in the abstract, one person's 'troll' may be the silent majority's advocate. It's a matter of perspective and who is doing the name calling.

Walt - KZ1F

The problem with quarantining the so-called troll is that truly makes an echo chamber where any idea, any thought inconsistent with the person with the control never gets heard. That only works in the blogosphere where the blog owner is also the thought police, which is antithetical to the notion of a forum.

Gopro

Hi Steve,

i definitely agree with you.
It is obvious, that everyone who have e different opinion from this group,is not welcome and immediately accused as troll or whatever. Moreover, especially loud and unfriendly are those who ourselves  posture for something special in group - some kind of gurus.
I didn't know that this group is sponsored by manufacturer - that tells enough.
Anyway, I am pretty sure that, in this community, also exist  a group of people who do not tell their own, free and different, opinion, out of fear to be destroyed from others.
Which is a shame, really-because on this way true ham-spirit, free thinking and basic postulate of ham radio, goes away.

73,
Bozidar

W9OY

The vendor listen's and is respectful to you Walt.  You don't see Flex on here telling you to pound sand every time you drop a loaf in a thread.  You don't see yourself banned.  Instead you are quite allowed to voice your opinion and vindictive.  It would be nice perhaps if you would show Flex the same respect they accord you.  If you're tired of being mocked and ridiculed stop mocking and ridiculing, or become used to it, or leave if it's simply too much for you to bear.  You will and do reap what you sew.  It's interesting you can identify the problem but seem at a loss for a solution.

73  W9OY

Walt - KZ1F

I was trying to avoid calling you out by name but since you went ahead and did it then yes you are the one who should be disciplined. As you are not the vendor it's disingenuous of you to speak on their behalf as I don't believe you speak on behalf of anyone but yourself. I am completely awed they're letting you be Elmer at this point.

Gopro

Hi Walt,

you see, exactly this I thought -
itself called group and moral guru (elmer)
tray to discipline you,
and this only why you have loud spoken your own mind!
Incredible.
73,
Bozidar

Gopro

Hi Eric,
what i have said before and become immediately a troll?!?

That what Flex call      -SmartSDR for Windows Feature Highlights-
is nothing more than a simply wish list.  From one serious firm is to expect, et least, timelines and not what they will to see in the future.
73,
Bozidar

Peter K1PGV

/Another thread swirls down the porcelain vortex.

You know, I had a whole long reply written to this thread... and after reading it but before hitting the SUBMIT button, I thought "Well that's pretty clever, but it doesn't really contribute anything in terms of the overall thread."  So I deleted it.

I will say this for this thread, though: It's a thread that has something to offend just about anybody on the forum. It's an equal opportunity offending thread.  That's quite an achievement.

As a great musician once said "oh well, whatever, never mind."

Peter
K1PGV

Lewis Cheek

Peter, speaking for ONLY myself, I enjoy reading what you have to say, I find it informable. Anyway to send to me ?

73's
Lew
N4CO

Charles - K5UA

It must time for another software update. It is amazing how correlated the angst level tracks the time elapsed since the last update. Just an observation. Probably inversley proportional to the solar flux level too. Maybe we should all be talkIng ON our radio instead of ABOUT our radio. Peace everyone. All this,too, will pass.

Lewis Cheek

Charles, as soon as these afternoon/evening thunder storms move along back to hf .
 For last two-three weeks it's been every afternoon on South Carolina coast.

Lew
N4CO

Bill -VA3WTB

Eric I replied respectfully to you and did not call you any names. I just presented the facts from other post from Gerald. But I know it is a cool thing for you guys to say we are drinking to much cool-aid for setting the information straight.

Burt Fisher

The name calling of troll is not confined to this community, in fact it is much more rare to hear that term here than other ham forums. As others have said, the word flies out of the typists keys far too easily when there is merely a different view expressed.

Burt Fisher

There is very little I offensive here.

Doug Hall

I saw this quote today, and immediately I thought of this particular thread. I'm with Emerson on this one:

“Let me never fall into the **** mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Tom

I understand Tim's reply, but I tend to agree with Howard's original posting. I really prefer to read postings for an individual displaying  both a name & call. Quite often I choose to repy offline and that is really tough if you can't figure out who the individual is.
73, Tom  K3IO

Walt - KZ1F

I agree as well, for the same reason you mention Tom. When Howard said anonymous, I was thinking 'anonymous' or 'guest', which I've never seen.

Bill -VA3WTB

Unless I missed it. Did these people ever Identify as Howard asked of them?
VA3WTB

Peter K1PGV

Of course they didn't Bill. If they were willing to honorably stand behind their comments, they would have joined the Community with a real name and call sign. Associating your comments with a real identity has a lot of value. Knowing who you are can help community members understand your viewpoint and perhaps the genesis of your opinions. One of my favorite sayings is "What you see is a function of where you sit." Using a real name helps others know "where you sit" in many cases. Peter K1PGV

KY6LA_Howard

I can agree with Tim that anonymous posting of OPINIONS allows people more freedom to express OPINIONS that may be contrary to the groups general OPINION. The example is the anonymity of he voting booth.


However when an anonymous poster posts Alleged FACTS which are not based on actual experience or based on reading of OUT OF DATE INCORRECT INTERNET RAMBLINGS they can use that anonymity to cause harm to others. The example is a masked bandit .. Of. Course, the Trolls use anonymity

DrTeeth

Most people cannot tolerate a contrary opinion, especially when that opinion is vigorously defended. Those who hold them get labelled "troll".

KY6LA_Howard

@Guy There is a Major difference between those who,spout contrarary OPINIONS who are clearly NOT Trolls And Trolls who deliberately spout misleading or out of date or gleaned from the Internet theories or alleged but clearly out of date or incorrect FACTS. The latter cause deliberate harm.

Jay Nation

Right or wrong, we ought to know the difference. 

73, Jay - NO5J

Gopro

AM Demodulation on Flex-6000 vs TS-2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HBg6uc8CNY

comments are welcome,

73,
Bozidar

Barry N1EU

I also agree that a callsign (or "SWL") should accompany all posts in public ham forums by hams.

Barry N1EU

Bill -VA3WTB

Why anyone not want to identify?

Walt - KZ1F

Hadn't this thread passed its expiration date? Bill, didn't you just append you call to your name? It struck me it looks different now. There are several 'regulars' that just use their name. There's a guy, walt, not me that's always used his first name. There was that kid, months ago, not even licensed, thinking about buying a Flex 6000. Was he a troll? Is it the lack of a call sign that makes one a troll or a view contrary to that held by, perhaps, a half dozen or so of this boards most vocal? IMHO, if one comes here with the sole intent of sticking the proverbial stick in the eye, that's completely different, I agree.