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Please get rid of Anonymous Posting

KY6LA_Howard
KY6LA_Howard La Jolla, CA. Paris and Sablet FranceMember ✭✭✭
edited June 2020 in New Ideas
During the recent conversations we got a niumber of anonymous posts that were clearly based on wrong or outdated information. It was pretty obvious that the anonymous posters had intended to missinform the questioners and maliciously lead them astray They get away with such deeds because they can post anonymously and there is no recousre to them. I would suggest that this community at least require a valid call sign or equivalent identification before anyone be allowed to,post heir opinions
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  • W7NGA
    W7NGA Member ✭✭
    edited January 2018
    Howard .. weren't you once complaining about the 'nanny state' ?

    big grin ...
  • Steven Hess
    Steven Hess Member
    edited September 2015
    I check in with Google ID.. Google knows I'm a radio amateur. It's not hard to be verified as a licensed operator or the fact you own a Flex Radio or two or three.

    KC6KGE 
  • Bill -VA3WTB
    Bill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 2018
    We will just keep calling them out Howard and correct what they say. I know exactly what you mean. And I know there are a few here that see us as Flex guards or what ever, but on purpose bad info is just wrong. And we do know who they are, the same ones.
  • Dave -- W7IWW
    Dave -- W7IWW Member
    edited June 2018
    I applaude Tim's comments as he hits the bulls eye on why so many of us love and appreciate the Flex team. He, and they, are honest, proactive, forthright, reasonable, accessible, and open. How can that be beat? We hams who embrace the leading (bleeding??) edge of our beloved ham radio hobby utilizing SDR can sort the wheat from the chaff. While some contributors can be annoying, or have a different perspective or motive, let's not let it get in the way of our joy. See you on the air!! I would love to exchange reports with my amazing 6700.

    Dave W7IWW
  • George KF2T
    George KF2T Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 2019
    A good placard to place over the monitor, "Don't feed the trolls!"
  • Steve W6SDM
    Steve W6SDM Member ✭✭
    edited December 2018
    The problem with open forums is that you get Internet trolls.  It's a fact of life like flies and mosquitoes in the summer, or lids on 14.313 MHz.  Personally, if someone who's not identifiable tells me something, I take it with a grain of salt - at least until they have proven themselves credible.

    Oh, Tim:  Rainbows, cotton candy, and unicorns?  I didn't think you could smoke that stuff where you live.  :)  It reminds me of the part of the 1960s that I can't remember. 
  • Walt - KZ1F
    Walt - KZ1F Member ✭✭
    edited November 2016
    Define troll. I suspect my definition is radically different than yours. I, further, believe Lee proved my point.
  • Steve W6SDM
    Steve W6SDM Member ✭✭
    edited September 2015
    My definition of an Internet troll is a person who frequents forums or social media for the purpose of stirring up discontent by provoking other users into an emotional response.  They're usually anonymous or at least identified with something other than their actual identity. 
  • Burt Fisher
    Burt Fisher Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    A troll as practiced by some hams is anyone who gives an opinion that does not line up with the crowd. Usually identified when the word "we" is used as when ONE ham uses "we think you are a ****" , when HE is actually speaking for himself.
  • Reg
    Reg Member ✭✭
    edited November 2016
    The Wikipedia definition is actually pretty good.  "In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl//ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

    Reg
  • Michael - N5TGL
    Michael - N5TGL Member ✭✭
    edited October 2016
    That is *exactly* what a troll is, particularly "with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
  • KY6LA_Howard
    KY6LA_Howard La Jolla, CA. Paris and Sablet FranceMember ✭✭✭
    edited January 2017
    Tim Thanks for the explanation of company policy I guess the next time an obvious troll appears spreading total nonsense we should just totally ignore him so that he quickly crawls back into his hole.
  • Top Dawg
    Top Dawg Member
    edited March 2017
    Doesn't the group require some sort of email verification before an individual can post here? We think you're nuts if you don't... hi  :-}
  • Gopro
    Gopro Member
    edited January 2018
    It is always  amazing how different opinion makes problems,
    but this speaks for yourself

    73,
    Bozidar
  • Burt Fisher
    Burt Fisher Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    The Wikipedia definition is actually pretty good.as stated. So how does someone become a troll by voicing their opinion that the 6000 series is wanting because some features are not yet ready?
  • Steve K9ZW
    Steve K9ZW Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
    There are high quality forums where a certain amount of "pen name" usage is allowed, but integrity is maintained by the group owners/moderators having confirmed the validity and real identity of each participant.

    The group knows this and it becomes easier to both participate and have confidence that members are neither trolls nor Sock Puppets.

    Perhaps this community could adopt that configuration?

    Personally I would be all for requiring members to use their call signs - we can't go on the air with our Flex Radios without them, so why should we be posting here suddenly behind a cloak?  

    Those few who have special needs can be handled specially, after being cleared by FRS for unmoderated posting.  

    I respectfully disagree with the need to accept the not so good with the good - and I worry that we've not even seen the tip of the iceberg of the not so good yet.  

    As for self-moderatoration, I find nothing better to remind myself not to put into a post anything I'd be unhappy owning up to because I always use my call sign.  

    I guess I'm the sort that would prefer to tune in at 14.236 to try a developing FreeDV mode than one who wastes time on 75m talking smack.

    One big thing that doesn't get said enough - both the FRS team and the regular participants all deserve a Thank You for doing what they do here.  The community as a resource has been very helpful to me personally in solutions to shared problems and to meet others, albeit if only by forum posts. Tim W4TME especially deserves our thanks for his calm steady hand, and tireless efforts!

    73 all,

    Steve
    K9ZW


  • Lewis Cheek
    Lewis Cheek Member
    edited November 2018
    When I drink my Flex Kool Ad, I stir in a large amount of reality knowing software development lags hardware. I hope another hardware version is not rolled out before software is working on what we now have. While I would like a 6500 I can't bring myself to purchase until I see real progress in basic features. 

    Lew
    N4CO
  • Tim - W4TME
    Tim - W4TME Administrator, FlexRadio Employee admin
    edited December 2016
    Yes, user accounts are verified to prevent robot spamming
  • Gopro
    Gopro Member
    edited September 2015
    I am in agreement with you.
    73,
    Bozidar
  • Tim - W4TME
    Tim - W4TME Administrator, FlexRadio Employee admin
    edited December 2016
    As part of the GetSatisfaction (now Sprinklr) Community, your user account allows you access to any GetSat community.  The subscriber database is not unique to FlexRadio and we cannot enforce any type of callsign requirement other than banning users which is not an acceptable solution.

    One of the key features that define a community vs. a message board is the company does not and should not control community behavior. Community members – customers and prospects – control the conversation in the community. We can only create and influence the tenor community by establishing and demonstrating community values.
  • Gopro
    Gopro Member
    edited September 2015
    Howard,

    and what about whites and blacks, or blue-eyed and dark-eyed?
    There are so many ways for discrimination!

    73,
    Bozidar



  • Bill -VA3WTB
    Bill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    This is another example of poor info, the Flex at present time is not missing BASIC features as far as we know, can you be clear on what basic features are missing?
  • Burt Fisher
    Burt Fisher Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    The company does not try to control behavior? Really? No one is ever "advised" to change behavior? Threads are never closed because the subject has deviated? I am not saying doing the above is wrong but if done, behavior is controlled.
  • Bill -VA3WTB
    Bill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    In order for this site to be organized Tim needs to keep things in order as much as he can, keeping topics where they should be. And if there are personal attacks, that will bring on a closure.It is all needed for the health of this community.
  • Tim - W4TME
    Tim - W4TME Administrator, FlexRadio Employee admin
    edited December 2016
    Some level of oversight is necessary to avoid anarchy. In rare circumstances, grievous behavior and transgressions require a little more direct influence to demonstrate and reinforce established community values.
  • Lewis Cheek
    Lewis Cheek Member
    edited September 2015
    Bill, I'm not going to turn this into a debate, however I have had and sold two Flex-6300s ( both early units) and at time I sold them, features such as NB, NR and notch filers didn't work, or didn't work well. These functions are more important to me than remote control. Maybe Flex has to get more robust features working due to code implications, I don't know. Seems a while back N5AC addressed balancing features and trade offs. Maybe more basic features work now, I can't say, but I can say for, other than lack of qsk, my Flex-3000 serves me well. Will we see a Flex iteration with additional on board processing, or a approach which limits one function to improve another?

    No need to cherry pick one's comment. Just because one own a Flex ,Elecraft, or Icom, does not make it the best radio. I have yet to find the perfect rig, to me it's a matter of trade offs. 

    Lew
    N4CO
  • Bill -VA3WTB
    Bill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    No I am not interested in debating either, that Is not why I asked. As we all know the DSP was not slated to be finished till V1.5 due out in a few days. One reason it has taken this long is they are developing a technology for the DSP. They could have just used what is already around and slapped it in there and say ok done a long time ago. But they are working on something very new, they want better then whats out there. I don't know why some things are in the order they are in at Flex, weather it is all about demand or do some things need to be done in an order because of code, I don't know.
    For many just as the radio works right now is all they need and want, for others the DSP is the deal breaker. Depends were you live I think.

    I do know that the 6000 radios are very complicated and they are developing a technology as they go, some like the idea of growing with the radio and being part of the development with input. And others don't want to be part of the ride.

    But to say that the radio is lacking basic features is a little misleading, they are all there, but work is being completed on them is the better way to say it.
  • Burt Fisher
    Burt Fisher Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    I agree with both comments above, therefore the following comment is not correct, " the company does not and should not control community behavior."
    It does, and should.
  • Burt Fisher
    Burt Fisher Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Tim is also there when you need him and competent.
    

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